Women could even vote when the 14th was written
Trump says he ended automatic citizenship for the children of illegal aliens
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AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
I already addressed that.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
That's not what section 2 says. It clearly states that all--ALL--male inhabitants of a state that was part of the rebellion are ineligible to vote and don't count towards apportionment of members of Congress.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
You cannot ignore the "all persons" part.
Anyone born in the US is a citizen. No exceptions. Trump is powerless. Period. Only the Congress can amend or add an act.
A moment of weakness on my part. I should have realized you are to stupid to know. My bad.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
And now lets watch all our resident MAGA legal eagles try and parse and dissect this in order to fit the decrees of their Cheeto Jeezus.
Why did CONGRESS DISAGREE with your interpretation of the 14th?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
@T. A. Gardner says I have to look at the rest of the Amendment.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
And you can not ignore the and subject to our laws exclusionary phrase. Who does it exclude then. Why were the Indians excluded. If they murdered or raped they were subject to our laws. If they raped or murdered they were sent to prison or hung. Why did CONGRESS pass a act to give them citizenship.
Your explanation was inadequate. I destroyed your reason. Give a better reason.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
They were considered a separate nation. They had to correct it.
BIG DEAL El Salvador is a sovereign nation too.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
You ignore how the 14th amendment clearly applies to the Civil War (aka "Rebellion") and is not specific to anything else. Post cases like Elk are examples.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Is it your contention that a child isn't a citizen if it is born to non-citizens in the US, despite the 14th Amendment?
I would like to see your reasoning.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
You do. It is taken as a whole. You can't simply cite one sentence and ignore the rest.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
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The Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, was a key part of Reconstruction after the Civil War. It aimed to extend citizenship and rights to formerly enslaved people and ensure equal protection under the law. Specifically, it addresses citizenship, equal protection, due process, and apportionment of representation. It also included provisions related to Civil War debts and disqualifications for those who participated in insurrection or rebellion.
Domestic dependent nations status refers to the unique legal status of Native American tribes in the United States, recognizing them as self-governing entities that are separate from state governments but under the jurisdiction of the federal government. This designation acknowledges the tribes' inherent sovereignty while also establishing a trust relationship with the federal government, which has a responsibility to protect tribal interests and provide certain services.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
"All persons".