TRUMP MULLS ENDING ALL ONGOING MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE

[Dutch Uncle]

What is wrong with you? Putin could end that war immediately by going home. Zelinsky has no power.

You're seriously asking Lesion Lameass what's wrong with him?

 

[EdwinA]

They were not combat troops, they were advisors. JFK sent a division of combat troops. Truman did send Americans, too.

They certainly didn't sit behind desks. They were out in the field with troops, and armed.

And, a Republican President kept up the support and the bombing campaign after LBJ. It's just a fact, LBJ's policies broke the VC, and the North only survived by violating the DMZ and other agreements, and his Viet Nam and other policies bankrupted the Brezhnev Doctrine and the Soviets. Whining about Democrats going to war, with lots of Republican support, is just weird modern propaganda spin, by Party hacks with nothing else to hang their hats on, no different than modern Democrats; two Parties playing Good Cop Bad Cop games on the public.,

 

[EdwinA]

It was definitely LBJ's war. Nixon was the one who pulled all of our troops out, officially ending our military engagement.

He was pandering to Red China. The North VN mostly just laughed at Nixon. The Red Chinese respected Kissinger; they just ignored Nixon. Viet Nam was abandoned by a Republican administration and left to be over run by Communists, same as they will do to Ukraine soon.

 

[EdwinA]

There was not a threat of another world war starting up in Vietman. The fact is Truman was the first to get us involved in Vietnam.

You keep shifting around. A world war was very much a threat all through the post WW II era, and Viet Nam was just another outpost of the contain policy. The U.S. needed to show SEATO allies it would back up its word re helping them defend Communist aggression around the globe, not just Viet Nam ; the Russians had to to do the same thing. Viet Nam was just one stage. The fact is many Republicans supported the containment policy, and continued it during their administrations.

If it weren't a threat, then why is even Trump pandering to Putin's nuclear threats even today? Trump himself invoked 'WW III N Stuff' just the other day, whining about Zelensky.

 

[EdwinA]

Eishenhower did not start the Vietnam war Edwina. LEFTISTS did!

Obviously you don't know what a shill is either.
I used to be one. It's a job in a casino...particularly in poker rooms.

Keep babbling spam.

 

[EdwinA]

So, Truman wasn’t the “first” to involve the U.S. in Vietnam if you mean boots on the ground or a primary policy focus. His role was laying an indirect foundation through aid to France, driven by anti-communist priorities.

And helping smaller weak countries resist international Communist aggression is a bad thing?

 

[EdwinA]

I don't avoid books, Edwina. Denying your own posts will never work. ANYONE can read them for themselves!

Obviously you do; otherwise you would know about Wilson's unilateral discussions with the Kaiser's diplomats that the kept secret from his allies. The only ones in denial are you shills who never read a book and just parrot current GOP propaganda, pretending it;s all Democrats' fault n stuff, i.e. silly nonsense and lying by omission.

 

[Diogenes]

And helping smaller weak countries resist international Communist aggression is a bad thing?

Is that what I said?

 

[EdwinA]

Is that what I said?

Who knows? You're busy trying to be clever and confusing yourself, as usual, having to parrot stuff that doesn't go against your propaganda and peer group agenda.

 

[Diogenes]

Who knows?

You don't know what I said?

 

[Into the Night]

Where? You can't even read this thread; no wonder you avoid books.

DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS, EDWINA!

 

[Into the Night]

Who knows? You're busy trying to be clever and confusing yourself, as usual, having to parrot stuff that doesn't go against your propaganda and peer group agenda.

Inversion fallacy. You can't blame your problem on anybody else, Edwina.

 

[Into the Night]

You don't know what I said?

You're surprise?? He tries to deny his own posts!

 

[Into the Night]

Not to mention the fact Russia has suffered up to 800,000 casualties in Putin's invasion of Ukraine. They've lost so many troops, they've hired mercenaries from both Syria and North Korea along with conscripting old men to fight in the meat grinder.

Trump's solution is to have Ukraine surrender to Putin. I disagree that an innocent invaded country should be forced by the Free World to surrender to a thug like Putin.

Earl has admitted he's broken his oath to both God and the Constitution in his support for a wannabe dictator and Russophile.

How many people have died in the Russia-Ukraine war?

President Donald Trump recently posted that "millions" have died in the war between Russia and Ukraine. Here are the latest casualties.

www.newsweek.com

According to International Institute for Strategic Studies, Russia has suffered massive casualties since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Estimates suggest that more than 800,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or severely wounded, making this one of the deadliest conflicts for Russia since World War II. The report indicates that Russian forces have relied on poorly trained recruits and convicts to sustain their offensive operations, leading to exceptionally high casualty rates. Despite these losses, Russia has continued its large-scale assaults, particularly in eastern Ukraine, while struggling to replenish its ranks with adequately trained personnel.

Trump did not ask Ukraine to surrender to anyone, Sybil. You are still hallucinating.

 

[Into the Night]

The Ukrainians have the right of self-defense. Even if they have to resort to guerilla warfare.

This isn't self defense, Sybil. You are still hallucinating.

 

[Into the Night]

They certainly didn't sit behind desks. They were out in the field with troops, and armed.

And, a Republican President kept up the support and the bombing campaign after LBJ. It's just a fact, LBJ's policies broke the VC, and the North only survived by violating the DMZ and other agreements, and his Viet Nam and other policies bankrupted the Brezhnev Doctrine and the Soviets. Whining about Democrats going to war, with lots of Republican support, is just weird modern propaganda spin, by Party hacks with nothing else to hang their hats on, no different than modern Democrats; two Parties playing Good Cop Bad Cop games on the public.,

The Vietnam war was started by Leftists, Edwina.

 

[Bigdog]

They certainly didn't sit behind desks. They were out in the field with troops, and armed.

And, a Republican President kept up the support and the bombing campaign after LBJ. It's just a fact, LBJ's policies broke the VC, and the North only survived by violating the DMZ and other agreements, and his Viet Nam and other policies bankrupted the Brezhnev Doctrine and the Soviets. Whining about Democrats going to war, with lots of Republican support, is just weird modern propaganda spin, by Party hacks with nothing else to hang their hats on, no different than modern Democrats; two Parties playing Good Cop Bad Cop games on the public.,

Who is president matters. And it was socialist democrat presidents that led us into all 4 major U.S. wars of the 20th century.

American citizen support for the V war fell apart. Many blame Cronkite.

 

[Bigdog]

He was pandering to Red China. The North VN mostly just laughed at Nixon. The Red Chinese respected Kissinger; they just ignored Nixon. Viet Nam was abandoned by a Republican administration and left to be over run by Communists, same as they will do to Ukraine soon.

Nixon followed the will of the American people.

What is your definition of 'communism'?

 

[Walt]

They were not combat troops, they were advisors. JFK sent a division of combat troops. Truman did send Americans, too.

VP Nixon was in charge of Southeast Asia, and the Caribbean for Eisenhower. He made a mess of both.

 

[Bigdog]

You keep shifting around. A world war was very much a threat all through the post WW II era, and Viet Nam was just another outpost of the contain policy. The U.S. needed to show SEATO allies it would back up its word re helping them defend Communist aggression around the globe, not just Viet Nam ; the Russians had to to do the same thing. Viet Nam was just one stage. The fact is many Republicans supported the containment policy, and continued it during their administrations.

If it weren't a threat, then why is even Trump pandering to Putin's nuclear threats even today? Trump himself invoked 'WW III N Stuff' just the other day, whining about Zelensky.

Z is an incompetent statesman. What is the White lib plan to end the Ukraine conflict?