No it isn't you stupid fuck; no matter how many times you erupt like a jackass about it.
Trump is acting even more guilty than Nixon
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No it isn't you stupid fuck; no matter how many times you erupt like a jackass about it.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
What they mean to say is that there’s a statute that could conceivably apply lol.
But it’s never been applied in an instance where campaign dirt is acquired, for free, from foreigners. [or attempted to be gotten, in Junior’s case]
They might find a judge that would grant a conviction but it would get thrown out by the higher courts—and definitely by SCOTUS, as its currently constituted.
I assure you, they would NEVER find any judge to even try such a weak stupid case.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
I want to agree but think of what you’re saying lol.
I know what I am saying. There is NOTHING in any criminal code that says you cannot talk to Russians, or anyone for that matter, about getting dirt on a candidate. I don't care how these dumbfucks twist and spin to try to fit this stupidity into a criminal code, it is NOT there.
They could have LIED about the meeting, they could have had it in some dark back alley....they could have had it in Moscow for all that matters, and it is NOT illegal. THINK about what THEY are saying.
This isn't the Soviet Union......YET!
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Sorry, illiterate pigfucker, the statutes have been cited over and over.
Back to Reading 101 for you, tardboy.
There are; but I doubt one wacky enough to see this as criminal. Can you imagine the Constitutional implications???
You continually demonstrate you don’t know shit, asswipe. One cannot solicit anything of value from a foreign agent. That’s exactly what Donnie did.
And the statutes have told you that. Over and over and over and over.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns. There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:
A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
The crucial phrase here is “other thing of value,” legal experts tell me. It means that the law extends beyond just cash donations. Foreigners are also banned from providing other kinds of contributions that would be the functional equivalent of a campaign donation, just provided in the form of services rather than goods. Like, say, damaging information the Russian government collected about Hillary Clinton.
“To the extent you’re using the resources of a foreign country to run your campaign — that’s an illegal campaign contribution,” Nick Akerman, an assistant special prosecutor during the Watergate investigation who now specializes in data crime, says.
Here’s the second important passage of the statute: “No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by [this law].”
The key word from Trump Jr., according to University of California Irvine election law expert Rick Hasen, is “solicit,” which has a very specific meaning in this context. To quote the relevant statute:
A solicitation is an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.
Trump Jr. was clearly soliciting information that he knew was coming from a foreign source. Given that political campaigns regularly pay thousands of dollars to opposition researchers to dig up dirt, it seems like damaging information on Clinton would constitute something “of value” to the Trump campaign.
The solicitation bit is why it doesn’t matter if Trump Jr. actually got useful information. The part that’s illegal, according to the experts , is trying to acquire dirt on Clinton from a foreign source, not successfully acquiring it. And his statement more or less admits that he did, in fact, solicit this information.
[url]https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/10/15950590/donald-trump-jr-new-york-times-illeg[/url]
A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
The crucial phrase here is “other thing of value,” legal experts tell me. It means that the law extends beyond just cash donations. Foreigners are also banned from providing other kinds of contributions that would be the functional equivalent of a campaign donation, just provided in the form of services rather than goods. Like, say, damaging information the Russian government collected about Hillary Clinton.
“To the extent you’re using the resources of a foreign country to run your campaign — that’s an illegal campaign contribution,” Nick Akerman, an assistant special prosecutor during the Watergate investigation who now specializes in data crime, says.
Here’s the second important passage of the statute: “No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by [this law].”
The key word from Trump Jr., according to University of California Irvine election law expert Rick Hasen, is “solicit,” which has a very specific meaning in this context. To quote the relevant statute:
A solicitation is an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.
Trump Jr. was clearly soliciting information that he knew was coming from a foreign source. Given that political campaigns regularly pay thousands of dollars to opposition researchers to dig up dirt, it seems like damaging information on Clinton would constitute something “of value” to the Trump campaign.
The solicitation bit is why it doesn’t matter if Trump Jr. actually got useful information. The part that’s illegal, according to the experts , is trying to acquire dirt on Clinton from a foreign source, not successfully acquiring it. And his statement more or less admits that he did, in fact, solicit this information.
[url]https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/10/15950590/donald-trump-jr-new-york-times-illeg[/url]
Sorry brain dead cock sucker, but no matter how many times you post the same moronic screed, you still like an ignorant retard on steroids.
There were no contributions you bran dead loon.
I bet you thought if you made it really BIG, it would look less stupid....FAIL. Soliciting information couldn't be construed as a donation even by a mental midget. Liberals, in some cases like yours, yes.
As for the notion that Trump Jr. solicited the Russian, that too is bullshit. She contacted THEM. Damn you lefties are stupid. But that is what makes you liberals, you're all brain dead stupid.
I generally just scroll by your stupid thread consuming bullshit posts, but I just happened to notice this one. This is world class stupid. Seems to me you are arguing information has no value?
There were no contributions you bran dead loon.
Soliciting information couldn't be construed as a donation even by a mental midget. Liberals, in some cases like yours, yes.
As for the notion that Trump Jr. solicited the Russian, that too is bullshit. She contacted THEM. Damn you lefties are stupid. But that is what makes you liberals, you're all brain dead stupid.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Information can definitely have value. Hillary paid big money for her Russian information and it scored an SP to go after Trump.
But information is also ‘speech’. Think about that. Also, what’s to prevent overzealous prosecutors from going after people who talk to foreigners and end up getting ‘something of value’ from them. Do we throw them in solitary confinement along with Manafort?
Lastly, wouldn’t it make the Russian Dossier a criminal document since it was *solicited* from foreign nationals to use against a political opponent.
And wouldn’t that render Mullet’s little venture null and void under ‘fruit of the poisonous tree’ doctrine?
Again, what Hillary or Obama or anyone else does does not make Trump and Gang any less guilty. But, I guess if that is all you got...
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
There were no contributions you bran dead loon.
Soliciting information couldn't be construed as a donation even by a mental midget. Liberals, in some cases like yours, yes.
As for the notion that Trump Jr. solicited the Russian, that too is bullshit. She contacted THEM. Damn you lefties are stupid. But that is what makes you liberals, you're all brain dead stupid.
Anything of value.
You know like dirt on Clinton.
Are you going to try to say that dirt on Clinton had no value to Daffy?
Junior admitted the information was valuable, and he admitted he wanted it, and he admitted he solicited it.
Case closed.
Probably one of the more simplistic argument from the Trumpsters I have ever seen. And that is saying something.
11 CFR 110.2 and 11CFR 300.2
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/300.2
Illiterate cocksucker.
There were no contributions you bran dead loon.
Soliciting information couldn't be construed as a donation even by a mental midget. Liberals, in some cases like yours, yes.
As for the notion that Trump Jr. solicited the Russian, that too is bullshit. She contacted THEM. Damn you lefties are stupid. But that is what makes you liberals, you're all brain dead stupid.
If you had any literacy skills, you would know how contributions are defined. But, you’re willfully ignorant, so you don’t.
Pathetic halfwit.
Talk about world class stupid, what do you have, a third grade education shit-for-brains. I am arguing that soliciting opposition campaign information is not an illegal act you buffoon.
If that were true, the Hillary campaign would be in jail by now. They not only solicited FAKE dirt, they created a dossier the FBI then used to spy on the opposition and trump up preposterous charges and Russian collusion.
Do me a favor, don't notice my posts anymore; life is too short for your special brand and stupid and ignorant.