Trump in bed during botched Yemen raid?

[christiefan915]

I think he said she ignored over 600 requests for more security in Benghazi, as well as lying to the American public and the family members of the four killed there (that it was because of a YouTube video), among many other things that exposed her corruption and complacency. Sorry, but why would any Hillary supporter care about a Yemen raid, or any other resulting dead American for that matter, when they look the other way everytime a Democrat politician's failed policies leads to multiple deaths?

Liberals routinely spit on the graves of not only the Benghazi victims, but those of Kate Steinle, and Laura Wilkerson's son (who was burned alive) by an illegal alien, when they look the other way and then have the audacity to call people "racists" for wanting stronger border security, and basic law enforcement to protect Americans. Do you really think anyone believes you actually care about people's lives? Give me a break... file this thread in the 'Disingenuous Hack Question" folder...

trump lied and you suck at fact-checking.

Stevens wasn't sworn in as ambassador to Libya until May 2012. So even if every one of those requests/concerns originated from Stevens and went directly to Clinton, the highest number Trump could cite would be 205, not 600.

• The count is supposed to be the number of security requests or concerns from Benghazi to the State Department, not from Stevens to Clinton, as Trump said. This can get ambiguous because such correspondence is often sent under the name of the ambassador, even if he/she never saw it, to the secretary of state, even though in the vast majority of cases it's handled by lower-level people and the secretary never sees it.

As Clinton noted during her Jan. 23, 2013, testimony on the Benghazi attack, "1.43 million cables a year come to the State Department. They are all addressed to me. They do not all come to me. They are reported through the bureaucracy."

It's also not clear if all these requests were actually for Benghazi or were security-related requests involving the U.S. embassy in Tripoli as well.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-wildly-exaggerates-amb-christopher-st/

 

[anatta]

PS

#35

I sincerely appreciate you linking it to / for me.

But at the moment my ISP is dial-up, and unless the text is posted in the post, it's a virtual certitude I won't follow the link.
Copyright law requires posters to include the source link when quoting from it. On the exceedingly rare occasions I need to probe further, the link may be useful.
But to me an un-teased link is as useless as tits on a bullfrog.

"BREAKING:
USS COLE PATROLLING OFF YEMEN: Destroyer moved after Iran-backed rebels attacked Saudi ship" a #36

Thank you a.
That's quite a scoop.

Did you know that the repairs to the Cole cost more than it would have cost to scrap and replace it?
But because the Clinton administration didn't want to hand the bad guys a victory, we resurected her instead.

OK. i'll try to post some relevant text for you when I show links. The link basically showed the failures of our big interventionism -and Gabbard's call to cut it out.

I'm surprised the USS Cole was even repaired. That was a huge hole in her hull. Thanks for that info.

 

[sear]

"Gabbard's call to cut it out." a #42

a) I've never heard of him.

b) I'm already a fan. *

On the Cole repair, I haven't corroborated that, but I think the single source might have been NBC-TV News.
I recall a graphic of the Cole essentially on barge / dry-dock. I gather she crossed the ocean on her side like that.

The restoration was complicated. I don't recall the details, but it was things like, because the explosion distorted the hull, it misaligned the ship's propulsion powerplant with the screw.
It seems the deformation was severe enough to have damaged the driveshaft.
And there are major ship components like a driveshaft that are easier to install during construction. If there's no deck, the driveshaft can simply be lowered into place by crane.
But on a re-build, it becomes substantially more complicated.

CAVEAT:
I include that specific detail on vague and fragmentary memory. Please don't regard it as fact. But if it wasn't that, it was that kind of thing; that much of the cost of rebuilding wasn't value-add.

One more point perhaps much more important than it might seem.
So often in my personal experience I've seen spectators witness conduct the spectators don't understand, and simply dismiss the conduct with the attitude of:

- Uh, well I don't understand it so HE'S an idiot. -

I've grown extremely wary of precisely that sentiment: - I don't understand it so HE'S an idiot. -

In my experience, it's the person that thinks that who is the "idiot".

What relevance here?

The U.S.S. Cole was attacked by a suicide team.

They were as willing to die for their cause as the recent ST6 sailor we lost in combat.

We can look at these suicide jihadis and just shrug and dismiss them. But I think it may be worth a closer look. They don't call the U.S. "the great Satan" for nothing.

* I hope this isn't an over-reach: ever see the Sean Connery movie Zardoz?
One of the themes powerfully presented in the movie was compassionless haves watching but refusing any help to the desperate, pleading have-nots. It's a chilling montage.

 

[zappasguitar]

You're either illiterate or didn't read the the article. Probably both.

It appears he's just another low information Trump sucker.

And, like most Trumpkins, it appears he's well versed in "do as I say and not as I do".

 

[zappasguitar]

Hillary was a hawk, which is the main reason I didn't vote for her.

But the hypocrisy of many conservatives re: Benghazi is nearly overwhelming. It is epic.

Not really...conservative hypocrisy is merely par for the course.

 

[zappasguitar]

Trump is responsible for this terribly botched raid.

Why wont the media cover it like they did Benghazi?

That's the "liberal media" for you.

oh wait...

 

[zappasguitar]

1) Trump is a hypocrite for criticizing Hillary for not being in the situation room during Benghazi, and he isn't there for the 1st raid in his admin.
2) Many on the right are hypocrites for making Benghazi the worst thing since Vietnam, but basically ignoring this one, and (of course) having no issue w/ Iraq

Hope that helps...

You really think partisan hack like PMP is going to discuss something like this HONESTLY?

 

[anatta]

"Gabbard's call to cut it out." a #42

a) I've never heard of him.

b) I'm already a fan. *

On the Cole repair, I haven't corroborated that, but I think the single source might have been NBC-TV News.
I recall a graphic of the Cole essentially on barge / dry-dock. I gather she crossed the ocean on her side like that.

The restoration was complicated. I don't recall the details, but it was things like, because the explosion distorted the hull, it misaligned the ship's propulsion powerplant with the screw.
It seems the deformation was severe enough to have damaged the driveshaft.
And there are major ship components like a driveshaft that are easier to install during construction. If there's no deck, the driveshaft can simply be lowered into place by crane.
But on a re-build, it becomes substantially more complicated.

CAVEAT:
I include that specific detail on vague and fragmentary memory. Please don't regard it as fact. But if it wasn't that, it was that kind of thing; that much of the cost of rebuilding wasn't value-add.

One more point perhaps much more important than it might seem.
So often in my personal experience I've seen spectators witness conduct the spectators don't understand, and simply dismiss the conduct with the attitude of:

- Uh, well I don't understand it so HE'S an idiot. -

I've grown extremely wary of precisely that sentiment: - I don't understand it so HE'S an idiot. -

In my experience, it's the person that thinks that who is the "idiot".

What relevance here?

The U.S.S. Cole was attacked by a suicide team.

They were as willing to die for their cause as the recent ST6 sailor we lost in combat.

We can look at these suicide jihadis and just shrug and dismiss them. But I think it may be worth a closer look. They don't call the U.S. "the great Satan" for nothing.

* I hope this isn't an over-reach: ever see the Sean Connery movie Zardoz?
One of the themes powerfully presented in the movie was compassionless haves watching but refusing any help to the desperate, pleading have-nots. It's a chilling montage.

ya. The ship was heavily damaged. What you logically put together about the repair makes sense.

did you see the attack on the saudi frigate the other day?

 

[sear]

#48

No.
Again, I can't Internet stream video. My broadband is currently costing me over a $hundred a $month for 2 gigs of authorized bandwidth. So to staunch the hemorrhage of mysterious unauthorized promiscuous bandwidth guzzling I've shut down my broadband link. My other ISP is dial-up, and has problems of its own.

I get more video feed than I can handle, over 20 digital TV channels. So my PC is also a DVR that has captured about 50 GB of nature & science documentaries, dramas, comedies, MeTV oldies but goodies, etc. But video of flaming hoverboards are not among them.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You're really gonna try to equate a US attack on the enemy with the US BEING attacked BY the enemy ?

I guess you're also gonna tell us Obama was sitting at his desk every time one of his drone attacks was in progress...

You're nuttier then desh and lie as much as Jarod....

and the no.2 claim is too outrageous and ridiculous to comment on....

Step back and think about it for a minute.

What do you conclude is the real reason that liberals are bringing this up?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

1) Trump is a hypocrite for criticizing Hillary for not being in the situation room during Benghazi, and he isn't there for the 1st raid in his admin.
2) Many on the right are hypocrites for making Benghazi the worst thing since Vietnam, but basically ignoring this one, and (of course) having no issue w/ Iraq

Hope that helps...

I don't recall that people complained she wasn't in the situation room......I recall people complaining she was a greedy, lying bitch who tried to tell us the attack occurred because of a you tube video so Obama could get re-elected.....then said what difference did it make that she lied.......is that what Trump did like her?.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I have no idea what we are discussing, but if I can attack PMP count me in

...

 

[sear]

"What do you conclude is the real reason that liberals are bringing this up?"

I can't presume to speak for "liberals".
But I can attest to the fundamentals of deflecting false accusations, a prominent feature of Republican political intercourse.

IIRC Hillary originally committed to as a federal public servant being available even to a 3:AM phone call in crisis.

Her Republican antagonists opportunistically seized on this.

The Democrats (not sure why the term "liberal" has been substituted here) simply turned it around on the Republicans, who in turn have yet to come up with a defense.

"Live by the sword, die by the sword."

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I don't recall that people complained she wasn't in the situation room......I recall people complaining she was a greedy, lying bitch who tried to tell us the attack occurred because of a you tube video so Obama could get re-elected.....then said what difference did it make that she lied.......is that what Trump did like her?.....

Trump complained about it. He made a very big deal about it during the campaign.

 

[Teflon Don]

Trump complained about it. He made a very big deal about it during the campaign.

He should step down immediately. Just for you

 

[NOVA]

Trump complained about it. He made a very big deal about it during the campaign.

Seeing that it lasted for 13 hours, she should have been there.....its her State Dept. people getting killed.

 

[Phantasmal]

I think he said she ignored over 600 requests for more security in Benghazi, as well as lying to the American public and the family members of the four killed there (that it was because of a YouTube video), among many other things that exposed her corruption and complacency. Sorry, but why would any Hillary supporter care about a Yemen raid, or any other resulting dead American for that matter, when they look the other way everytime a Democrat politician's failed policies leads to multiple deaths?

Liberals routinely spit on the graves of not only the Benghazi victims, but those of Kate Steinle, and Laura Wilkerson's son (who was burned alive) by an illegal alien, when they look the other way and then have the audacity to call people "racists" for wanting stronger border security, and basic law enforcement to protect Americans. Do you really think anyone believes you actually care about people's lives? Give me a break... file this thread in the 'Disingenuous Hack Question" folder...

Another kitty litter word salad post. B&W still consistently a maroon! Zoom sends his love!

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Trump complained about it. He made a very big deal about it during the campaign.

probably another thing you're lying about.....I don't recall it ever being a topic......is there a thread here about it?.....

 

[Phantasmal]

You know, that's exactly how I remember conservatives - and Fox News - when it came to Benghazi. Patiently waiting for the facts.

And it took 8 hearings before they believed them!

 

[sear]

"..then said what difference did it make that she lied...." #51

"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson (R)

Secretary Clinton NEVER said that.

Instead, when she said it she was referring to the distinction between ruminating over the past; or preparing for a better future.

HRC never dismissed the tragic loss of Ambassador Stevens *, and our other brave servants there.

Instead she focused on what we can do split the baby: harden our soft targets, without our embassies and consulates presenting a "fortress America" edifice to the world.

And there weren't a lot on the committee that long ~11 hour day that contributed to that objective so much more practical than affixing partisan blame.

It's just one more example of Republicans prioritizing partisanship ahead of citizenship. But there are countless other examples of it as well.

* BTW
Stevens was rushed to a local hospital to try to save his life; not by Americans, but by local Libyans.