It is in the link. Please just read the thing and move on.
Trump: I could declare a national emergency to get border wall
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It is in the link. Please just read the thing and move on.
Occasionally you have to nudge him every once in a while. He gets stuck on stupid.
see that's your problem your drugs are getting you all confused and discombobulated. Most Americans don't want the wall it's that simple.
Says a poll - and you always trust polls, grandpa?
TheRepublicofPolSci
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I don't think declaring a National Emergency would be an appropriate move by the US president for this turmoil. I think that would be an over the edge move. As an alternative, President Trump must instead present valid reasons which will convince the Democrat dominated Congress that a wall is the proper solution to the immigration issues faced by the United States of America.
There are no rational Democrats left in Congress to convince or present anything too.
ROTFL
So I was right, again.
Since you refuse to identify any particular language that you claim gives the President "Emergency Powers", I will use some portions of your link.
First I will point out that you link is simply someone's article and opinion and that the FACTS presented in your link do not support your claim, only the opinion.
The First Paragraph:
"The President of the United States possesses certain powers to act in emergency situations." (opinion) "Though such “emergency power” is not specifically expressed in the Constitution," (FACT) the Executive Branch is designed to be able to act quickly in times of war or national emergency. Because emergency power is not specifically stated in the Constitution," (FACT) its scope is somewhat limited, typically extending only to situations that compromise or threaten the safety or well-being of the public." (OPINION) "To explore this concept, consider the following emergency power definition."
You see, Damocles has used an age old trick of combining fact with opinion to try to trick the reader into believing the opinion is fact. A true strict constructionist would see that those who have the opinion that the president has special "emergency powers" if he declares an emergency, are STRETCHING the Constitution beyond where the founders intended. Though history despots have used a hyped emergency to claim "emergency powers" and anoint themselves King. The founders knew this and protected us from that by refusing to grant the President of the United States the Constitutional power to grant himself additional authority by declaring an emergency.
I find it funny that, out of love for President Rump, people who consider themselves Strict Constructionists are willing to undermine this philosophy to extend this ideology to the despot Don Trump.
Yes, presidents have usurped "emergency powers" in the past, to do patiently unconstitutional things, like when Roosevelt imprisoned Asian Americans in prison camps. Promoting the idea that the President has this authority is dangerous and WRONG.
He argues that because Congress passed a bill limiting "emergency powers" is evidence that these powers exist, that is putting the cart before the horse. Congress can limit my power to cut myself a huge slice of cheese from the moon, it does not change that I never had that power in the first place.
Now, say I am wrong, for political reasons all you want, I am not wrong here.
The FACT remains that DAMOCLES cannot point to any portion of the CONSTITUTION that grants these mythical powers to the President. This was the intent of the founders for a very specific reason. To pretend otherwise is simply wrong.
Getin the ring
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and that's the kicker, we are getting a wall, Democrats have to know that.
So political posturing it is in the meantime, they are so done
So political posturing it is in the meantime, they are so done
If you would like to study the issue further read the Opinion of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court telling Abraham Lincoln he did not have the power to suspend Habeas Corpus.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/ex-parte-merryman/
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/ex-parte-merryman/
At best, and I doubt you will get it, you are might get a small 5-10 mile section of steel fence.
Getin the ring
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slowly but surely the entire border will have a barrier nearly impossible to breech, and a lot of that will be a wall.
take your medicine quickly, or the slow death that Queen Nancy is asking you to submit to.
take your medicine quickly, or the slow death that Queen Nancy is asking you to submit to.
Chief Justice Taney...
"These great and fundamental laws, which Congress itself could not suspend, have been disregarded and suspended, like the writ of habeas corpus, by a military order, supported by force of arms. Such is the case now before me, and I can only say that if the authority which the Constitution has confided to the judiciary department and judicial officers, may thus, upon any pretext or under any circumstances, be usurped by the military power, at its discretion, the people of the United States are no longer living under a government of laws, but every citizen holds life, liberty and property at the will and pleasure of the army officer in whose military district he may happen to be found."
"These great and fundamental laws, which Congress itself could not suspend, have been disregarded and suspended, like the writ of habeas corpus, by a military order, supported by force of arms. Such is the case now before me, and I can only say that if the authority which the Constitution has confided to the judiciary department and judicial officers, may thus, upon any pretext or under any circumstances, be usurped by the military power, at its discretion, the people of the United States are no longer living under a government of laws, but every citizen holds life, liberty and property at the will and pleasure of the army officer in whose military district he may happen to be found."
Getin the ring
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Trump can do just about anything he wants to do on the issue of National Security, and certainly can divert monies to secure our borders without asking anyone if it is ok.
It's absurd to assert otherwise
It's absurd to assert otherwise
USFREEDOM911
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I am happy to discuss this, and to make it clear, this is not what I was discussing with Damocles, this is Congress REMOVING certain powers they had allowed the President to take, not a Constitutional power to declare an emergency.
I found the entire Act, let me read it then I will discuss.
USFREEDOM911
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Your chance was back, closer to Post #7; because your continual ignoring of it, has predicated anyone believing you even know what you're talking about.
Now; add that to Damo continually trying to educate you and it makes your ignorance even more noticeable and pronounced.
SO, what you have here is Congress giving its powers to the President if he declares a National Emergency. This law has not been tested in the Courts. IS it Constitutionally permissible for Congress to delegate its Constitutional powers to the President?
This still does not give the President any more powers than the Congress is willing to give him, if it is Constitutional.
Your chance was back, closer to Post #7; because your continual ignoring of it, has predicated anyone believing you even know what you're talking about.
Now; add that to Damo continually trying to educate you and it makes your ignorance even more noticeable and pronounced.
You are free to pretend that, or you can engage in an educated discussion of the issue.