Trump Counties Twice as Likely to Die from COVIC

ThatOwlWoman said:
Well, the COVID data is not a poll; it is actual data not based on someone's opinion of something. The fact that they dispute *that* is part of why they have no credibility with everyone else.
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Agreed but the fucking morons don't understand the difference. They still only believe what their leaders on Facebook and Twitter/Truth Social tell them.

Note the kerfuffle over Trump's "reTruth" of a "civil war" comment. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-civil-war-truth-social-post-twitter-backlash-1708989

No sane person believes the US will devolve into civil war, but as the WSE shooter in NY proved, there are nutjobs out there who will take it seriously and murder Americans. None of the chickenshits on JPP, of course. They're all spineless, nutless blowhards talking tough on the Internet. LOL

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Mina said:
Exactly. With very poor nations, the data is too lousy to mean anything, since they were never counting deaths accurately, anyway. Like in central Africa, people can be born, live, and die out in rural villages without ever showing up in any official stats. But among the top few dozen countries, the governments do a good job tracking death counts, and so you can compare excess death rates during the pandemic.

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https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...-baseline?country=PER~MEX~IRN~USA~ISR~BOL~ECU

You can see the huge difference in cumulative excess death between, say, Peru (76%) and Greenland (-7%). The US is pretty bad, at 17%, which is worse than nearly any other rich country. But there are places within the US, like Massachusetts, that are in line with Western Europe... it's just that the train-wreck states, like Arizona, Mississippi, and Texas, really screw up the averages.
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It's fascinating that during the first year of the pandemic, RWers were insisting that non-COVID deaths were being reported as COVID, the numbers were greatly exaggerated (exc. of course in NYC lol), blah blah blah. But *now* they're insisting that not only are the numbers super accurate, most of the 1,000,000 dead Americans died since Biden became President.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It's fascinating that during the first year of the pandemic, RWers were insisting that non-COVID deaths were being reported as COVID, the numbers were greatly exaggerated (exc. of course in NYC lol), blah blah blah. But *now* they're insisting that not only are the numbers super accurate, most of the 1,000,000 dead Americans died since Biden became President.
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Yep. Intellectual consistency isn't their thing.

It's true that things have remained bad, on the COVID front, on Biden's watch. But what is remarkable is how localized that's been, at least since Biden took office. Blue states (and even liberal areas within states whether red or blue), have done pretty well since Biden took office. It's red states (and conservative areas within states) that have been having a rough time of it, as conservatives have resisted the administration's efforts to get the pandemic under control.

Put it this way, if you calculate excess death percent for each state/territory after Trump left office, through mid-April of this year (the last reliable data to be collected so far), there are 25 places with lower excess death percents than the nation as a whole and 17 of them are "blue" states/territories. In those liberal places, COVID has almost been a non-event since Biden took office. Like Massachusetts has an excess death level of only 2.34% in that period, which is within the normal year-to-year variation before COVID came along (even before the pandemic, states could be 3 points high or low in a given year). But at the other end of the spectrum, you've got die-hard right-wing Alaska, where it's 29.23%, which is almost ten times what could be explained by any normal variation. For hard-core conservative states like Texas, West Virginia, and Mississippi, the Biden era looks as bad or worse than the Trump era looked.
 
Mina said:
Yep. Intellectual consistency isn't their thing.

It's true that things have remained bad, on the COVID front, on Biden's watch. But what is remarkable is how localized that's been, at least since Biden took office. Blue states (and even liberal areas within states whether red or blue), have done pretty well since Biden took office. It's red states (and conservative areas within states) that have been having a rough time of it, as conservatives have resisted the administration's efforts to get the pandemic under control.

Put it this way, if you calculate excess death percent for each state/territory after Trump left office, through mid-April of this year (the last reliable data to be collected so far), there are 25 places with lower excess death percents than the nation as a whole and 17 of them are "blue" states/territories. In those liberal places, COVID has almost been a non-event since Biden took office. Like Massachusetts has an excess death level of only 2.34% in that period, which is within the normal year-to-year variation before COVID came along (even before the pandemic, states could be 3 points high or low in a given year). But at the other end of the spectrum, you've got die-hard right-wing Alaska, where it's 29.23%, which is almost ten times what could be explained by any normal variation. For hard-core conservative states like Texas, West Virginia, and Mississippi, the Biden era looks as bad or worse than the Trump era looked.
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Interesting, thanks. I'm surprised that your statistics haven't been challenged. How does Florida look, pre- and post-Biden?
 
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