Trump calls removal of Confederate monuments 'so foolish'

christiefan915 said:
Because this is the topic that needs to be addressed. Not whether or not these people have free speech or the right to assemble... that's a given. But their ideology shouldn't be held as equal to Antifa.
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i didnt know any1 wuz holding their ideology equal to antifa altho antifa is commie/socilaist which is just repugnant 2 me as white supremacy

i m holding antifa to judgment 4 their actions not their ideology

in fact i will say that last weekend antifa was worse beuz they stifled free assembly & speech and also assaulted people

if antifa had not turned violent i would not blame them but becuz they did i hold them equally responsible
 
Darth Omar said:
At the bottom of you link they asked for a donation to preserve CW sites for historical posterity. Did you give?

I asked the question because I'm a Hatfield-McCoy aficionado. Devil Anse Hatfield was no church-goer lol. And he fought for the south. He quit his farm and timber business to help southern slave owners?

I don't buy that.
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nor should u

people were just as diverse in their motivation in those days as they r now IMO

libs want to paint every1 with the same brush bcuz their narrative wont work unless they do
 
God Emperor said:
thats not what i asked u is it?

what oaths would u break if u thought the govt was making u fight 4 something evil?

would u risk a firing squad or a noose to show u didnt want to fight for something bad?

bcuz thats what u seem 2 expect the men of the south to do
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That's exactly what I expect of them. I don't know what oaths you mean, since the oath of enlistment is quite clear (Constitution, president/governor, and officers appointed above you).
 
Threedee said:
That's exactly what I expect of them. I don't know what oaths you mean, since the oath of enlistment is quite clear (Constitution, president/governor, and officers appointed above you).
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so you would choose execution by refusing to fight in the face of the enemy rather than fight for Trump?
 
Darth Omar said:
I would absolutely love to ask them to find out, but I can't.

Hatfield left his timber business to fight a war over slavery when that institution didn't benefit him in the slightest?

Doesn't add up.
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If he fought for the south, then he fought for what it represented and stood for. Or he simply hated America, and saw an opportunity to fight against it.
 
Darth Omar said:
At the bottom of your link they ask for a donation to preserve CW sites for historical posterity. Did you give?

I asked the question partly because I'm a Hatfield-McCoy aficionado and it's always puzzled me. Devil Anse Hatfield was no church-goer lol. And he fought for the south. He quit his farm and timber business to help southern slave owners?

I don't buy that.
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i'm not familiar but maybe it was like Lee who fought for his state of Virginia?
Lee turned down chief commander of the Union because of that
 
Threedee said:
If he fought for the south, then he fought for what it represented and stood for. Or he simply hated America, and saw an opportunity to fight against it.
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I get the guilt by association but hate needs a pretext. You don't hate something just cuz. If he hated it, he hated it for a reason. And he would only leave his young wife and business for a damn good reason.

I get the sense the CW was more complicated than what's being taught.
 
noise said:
i'm not familiar but maybe it was like Lee who fought for his state of Virginia?
Lee turned down chief commander of the Union because of that
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Certainly plausible. Lee and Hatfield lived in the same state at the time, so it makes sense.

Like there was an over-arching principle, beyond slavery, that drove them to do it. But that's a guess.
 
Southern anger: Nazis, KKK 'hijacking' Confederate debate

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CHULAFINNEE, Ala. — White Southerners who equate Old South symbols with regional pride rather than hate are even more on the defensive since neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen and other extremists became the face of the fight over Confederate monuments.

With more than two dozen relatives who fought for the Confederacy, Robert Castello literally wears his Southern pride. The visor, suspenders and ring he donned Thursday were all emblazoned with the familiar design of the rebel battle flag.

But Castello, whose Dixie General Store sells Confederate-themed hats, shirts, stickers and signs in rural eastern Alabama, said he doesn't have any use for overtly racist groups like the Klan.

"When I was growing up it was like a badge of honor to be proud of your Southern heritage. It was taught and it was part of who you were," said Castello, 58. "To see it denigrated down to the point of Nazis is disgusting."

A leading Southern heritage organization, the Sons of Confederate Veterans, had no official involvement in the bloody protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, and its leader condemned the white supremacists who rallied for preserving a statute of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

"It's painful to watch, for lack of better words," said Thomas V. Strain Jr., the group's commander. "It was our family that fought, and it was our families that died, and now we have these knuckleheads hijacking the flag for their own purposes."


Social media feeds dominated by Southern whites contain similar criticism of extremist organizations, which watchdog groups have said were out in force in Charlottesville in the largest white supremacist gathering in years.
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Got a problem with the removal of statues .. best go talk to the ones responsible .. the Klan and white nationalists.
 
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