Trump Calls for complete shutdown of muslims immigrating to America

Jarod said:
Yes, but you admit that an argument that was not based on looks but something more reasonable would possibly stand up to Constitutional Muster even though the right to bear arms is, in your words not to be "infringed", right?
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If your right to bear arms clearly violates the rights of another or puts others rights at an unreasonable risk (such as WMD, ie: nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, weaponized bacteria) your right is limited as it is in free speech (crying fire in a theater that has no fire is the example given by the SCOTUS in a famous decision).

Just saying that some other person might use a car to kill many on purpose should not limit your access to a car, nor should such an argument be made to limit your right to arms.
 
Damocles said:
If your right to bear arms clearly violates the rights of another or puts others rights at an unreasonable risk (such as WMD, ie: nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, weaponized bacteria) your right is limited as it is in free speech (crying fire in a theater that has no fire is the example given by the SCOTUS in a famous decision).

Just saying that some other person might use a car to kill many on purpose should not limit your access to a car, nor should such an argument be made to limit your right to arms.
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I agree, but you are one of the VERY few on this board that understand this. You can explain it to them all day, I have, and they still refuse to understand it.
 
Damocles said:
If your right to bear arms clearly violates the rights of another or puts others rights at an unreasonable risk (such as WMD, ie: nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, weaponized bacteria) your right is limited as it is in free speech (crying fire in a theater that has no fire is the example given by the SCOTUS in a famous decision).

Just saying that some other person might use a car to kill many on purpose should not limit your access to a car, nor should such an argument be made to limit your right to arms.
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damo?


are you back?


yes gun laws are perfectly constitutional
 
I think a new strategy is needed.

Obama's apology tour, then asking for forgiveness from the Jihadists isn't working.

Perhaps putting pressure on moderate Muslims to act like adults and to get rid of these scum bag radicals for a change will be a better strategy.

If they see they are no longer wanted in the west, it might actually force some reform.

Just sitting back, and allowing your citizens to be slaughtered by these maniacs isn't going to work.
 
Irish said:
I think a new strategy is needed.

Obama's apology tour, then asking for forgiveness from the Jihadists isn't working.

Perhaps putting pressure on moderate Muslims to act like adults and to get rid of these scum bag radicals for a change will be a better strategy.

If they see they are no longer wanted in the west, it might actually force some reform.

Just sitting back, and allowing your citizens to be slaughtered by these maniacs isn't going to work.
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Lying about the president of the USA because your fucks couldn't win the election makes you a shitty fucking citizen
you are a dirt bag fucking lying traitor to this nation
 
Irish said:
I think a new strategy is needed.

Obama's apology tour, then asking for forgiveness from the Jihadists isn't working.

Perhaps putting pressure on moderate Muslims to act like adults and to get rid of these scum bag radicals for a change will be a better strategy.

If they see they are no longer wanted in the west, it might actually force some reform.

Just sitting back, and allowing your citizens to be slaughtered by these maniacs isn't going to work.
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Give me an example of what you mean by apology tour?

IN the entire 7 years of Obama's presidency we have only had one Muslim based terror attack on our soil, killing 14 people, I consider that a pretty good record. Better than GWB's record by a factor of almost 3000.
 
Irish said:
I think a new strategy is needed.

Obama's apology tour, then asking for forgiveness from the Jihadists isn't working.

Perhaps putting pressure on moderate Muslims to act like adults and to get rid of these scum bag radicals for a change will be a better strategy.

If they see they are no longer wanted in the west, it might actually force some reform.

Just sitting back, and allowing your citizens to be slaughtered by these maniacs isn't going to work.
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What would you have moderate Muslims do that has not been done already or is being done? They have denounced the actions of these terrorists and they also have cooperated with authorities.

They aren't sitting back, that is just your ignorant misconception.
 
Jarod said:
Prohibiting the entry into this nation of all Muslims is prohibiting the free exercise of Islam. You are not free to exercise Islam in the United States if you are outside the United States.

I do have to agree with you on one point you have made, and that is the right, like all other rights is not absolute. The Supreme Court has been balancing and limiting all rights for over a hundred and fifty years. With regard to Religion and the absoluteness of the right to free exercise type "Lemon Test" into google.

The LEMON TEST is a test the S.Ct. uses to determine 1) if a law is promoting the establishment of religion and 2) when it is okay for a law to curtail the ABSOLUTE right to free exercise of religion.

You should also study the Sherbert test, read Sherbert v. Verner.
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You must believe that people have a constitutional right to migrate to this country. They in fact do not. And the President has broad latitude in this area.
 
Here is a question.

Iran is 99.4% muslime.

Where are all the Jews? Where are all the Protestants? Catholics? 7th Day Adventists? Mormons? Buddhists?
 
these fucking racists are more hated world wide that any other group on the planet.

they want mankind to hate each other.


what they have created is a large group of humans who hate them.
 
christiefan915 said:
Sign twice, once for me.
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You know you're a clueless retard when you agree with IoloTARD.

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Underworld King Star said:
To be clear he didn't just call for an end to Muslims immigrating to America. He called for an end to Muslims entering America. The first would put us in a category with Saudi Arabia (which doesn't allow Christians to become citizens). The second would pretty much put us in unknown territory, no one in the world, not even Saudi Arabia, is bigoted enough to entirely prevent anyone of an entire religion from even visiting.
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No he didn't; and making the same dumb ignorant claim over and over doesn't make it look any less stupid the thousandth time.
 
Damocles said:
To further this idea, it can be applied to things the right likes as well as dislikes. The left is fond of attempts to violate the 2nd, for example. Again, freedom has a cost and in this one there is inherent risk. We pay for the freedom with risk. Even though some people think that "this reasonable limitation" is okay the constitution is clear. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed, and it is a personal right clearly indicated by the fact it is listed as a a right of "The People"... It takes deliberate ignorance to pretend that "The People" in that one amendment means something different than every other instance it is listed in the constitution and Amendments.
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Trumps efforts are unique in that it is not just the "right" that like his message and support him. I have heard from Democrats and even Hispanics here illegally that they like Trump.

You see, they find his outspoken non-PC expressions refreshing. The reall issue surrounding Trump is not Trump at all, but how obviously fed up American's are growing of the political class, regardless of whether it is for the right reasons.
 
Jarod said:
I hope it dissolves, and am still with you that I expect it will, but what if? Are you not disappointed that your team currently has 30-40% so excited by this fools racism that they are choosing to ignore his lack of capability?
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Why do you think it is only Republicans polling positive for Trump?
 
Jarod said:
But is he not intelligent enough to see that he is not applying for a job in a board room? If a president behaves that way it is harmful to the nation. 30-40% of Republicans call him a good leader, throwing out outlandish ideas, then defending them to the end refusing to admit they were dumb is not good leadership.

A good leader can be wrong, can make mistakes, can even do something foolish, but they must admit it if they want to move forward.
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Nothing can be more ironic than an Obama voter being concerned about intelligence. Nothing Obama has done has been intelligent; everything he has done has been divisive and a failure.
 
Jarod said:
Do you not see that "absolute rights" are infringed all the time. You will get hauled to jail for inciting a riot or panic, that is an infringement on the right to free speech. You cannot legally own an ICBM, that is an infringement on the right to bear arms, nuclear arms but still arms. If you walk through town naked, you will be arrested even if it was purely expressive conduct.
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What I see is leftists like you engaging in eroneous bloviating and strawman fabrications; bolded.
 
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