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Trump Calls for complete shutdown of muslims immigrating to America
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This should be good.
Please explain how he might not be legally allowed to go to Great Britain?
Unless you really meant Britton and it's what you call some magically created world, that you believe in.
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Trump has beaten the media, owns the media, and has turned the entire liberal establishment upside down. The GOP talking heads are astounded that the sheep aren't turning on the Donald, they, the voters, are in total defiance of the experts.
We are witnessing a revolution and the voters driving it are sick and tired of GOP establishment types lying to them to garner their votes.
They are now threatening a brokered convention to stop Trump at all costs.
It's looking more and more like Trump - Cruz or possibly Cruz - Trump.
We are witnessing a revolution and the voters driving it are sick and tired of GOP establishment types lying to them to garner their votes.
They are now threatening a brokered convention to stop Trump at all costs.
It's looking more and more like Trump - Cruz or possibly Cruz - Trump.
FUCK THE POLICE
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To be clear he didn't just call for an end to Muslims immigrating to America. He called for an end to Muslims entering America. The first would put us in a category with Saudi Arabia (which doesn't allow Christians to become citizens). The second would pretty much put us in unknown territory, no one in the world, not even Saudi Arabia, is bigoted enough to entirely prevent anyone of an entire religion from even visiting.
By defining it as a religious group the 1st Amendment would be violated. Saying, "This religion specifically cannot.." is most definitely Congress making a law abridging the right of free exercise which they are directly prohibited from making. This right is not limited to "The People" as the right to assemble is...
Should Trump want to stop people from a certain area, that has precedent. However one cannot say, "Christians from this area are okay, but not Buddhists" for example.
Current international law from ratified treaties also prohibits the US from sending somebody back to a region that they escaped from as a refugee. So, if somebody gets to the US and is listed as a refugee by the UN according to certain ratified treaties (law of the land per the constitution) they get to stay. Now saying we'll not take delivery of refugees from an area is legal by that law, but saying we'll not take a specific religious group is a violation of the constitution in a different way.
Trump is far outside his expertise, capability, and is unqualified to be President. He cannot even keep simple constitutional violations out of proposed policy. I can't wait for this guy's candidacy to dissolve.
Should Trump want to stop people from a certain area, that has precedent. However one cannot say, "Christians from this area are okay, but not Buddhists" for example.
Current international law from ratified treaties also prohibits the US from sending somebody back to a region that they escaped from as a refugee. So, if somebody gets to the US and is listed as a refugee by the UN according to certain ratified treaties (law of the land per the constitution) they get to stay. Now saying we'll not take delivery of refugees from an area is legal by that law, but saying we'll not take a specific religious group is a violation of the constitution in a different way.
Trump is far outside his expertise, capability, and is unqualified to be President. He cannot even keep simple constitutional violations out of proposed policy. I can't wait for this guy's candidacy to dissolve.
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People may not like what Trump said, but it is illogical that it is unconstitutional. The 1st Amendment has ZERO to do with immigration. ZERO. This argument makes no sense. There is no case law to even draw on.
Now, I personally think Trump overstated and don't think it is workable to try to ban muslimes. However, I think what he should have stated was that people from XYZ on the map can't come for 12 months. He would have still gotten shit, but it would have made more sense.
The US Constitution is not a suicide pact
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Dear Fucking Twat
The GOP has been fucked since it decided to "compromise" with democrats. They created Trump. I completely understand why you don't understand it because of your abject stupidity. Now you know you get thread banned.
I think it comes from the board room. In a board room often outlandish ideas are thrown out by CEOs or other people on the board. They are discussed and then dismissed. In this case there "board" is the people who are supporting him. He says something, it is tore up by reason, and he simply walks away from the idea and moves on as he would in the boardroom...
Just a theory... mostly based on a current working theory that he actually wants to win this election.
evince
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tRumps mommy and daddy created tRump you fucking idiot,
your right wing factless government hating racist base is your fault and no one elses you fucking divertabot
All law has something to do with the constitution. Congress has the power over immigration and naturalization. Any law they make using that power that directly is against specific limitations set upon them, such as the Bill of Rights, would be a violation. Even if we think it has "zero" to do with that particular thing.
Government limiting anything based on "you are of this religion" would be a violation of the 1st. "No law" means No law... Even if it seems reasonable, it is a risk we take on in order to have that specific freedom. Freedom has a cost, the least of the cost is risk. This is one of the cases where we pay the cost so that we may be free.
As I said, it would be constitutional to say, "no people from this region until we can figure it out", but it will never be constitutional to add a religious codicil... "you cannot come here if you are pagan"...
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To further this idea, it can be applied to things the right likes as well as dislikes. The left is fond of attempts to violate the 2nd, for example. Again, freedom has a cost and in this one there is inherent risk. We pay for the freedom with risk. Even though some people think that "this reasonable limitation" is okay the constitution is clear. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed, and it is a personal right clearly indicated by the fact it is listed as a a right of "The People"... It takes deliberate ignorance to pretend that "The People" in that one amendment means something different than every other instance it is listed in the constitution and Amendments.
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Would that he a bad thing?
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Your argument is completely illogical and a misreading of the US Constitution. It says Congress shall make no law establishing a religion (what trump said doesn't do that) or impeding the free exercise of religion.
First of all, someone could say that their religion allows them to murder people. We have laws against murder. Are you then going to argue that we are abridging their 1st Amendment rights? Of course not
Secondly and this is the most important. By keeping a certain religion from immigrating, they are not impeded from practicing their religion in any way whatsoever. Unless of course you are making the argument that the ONLY way they can practice their religion is to do it on American soil.
Like I said, you may not like what he said or agree with it. But arguing it on Constitutional grounds is weak sauce. I expect such inane arguments from leftists, but I thought you were better than this.
For the record, I am not defending Trumps plan. I don't like it because I think it is unworkable. I prefer keeping people out from the entire Middle East. But, I have been saying that for years
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The first Amendment does not apply to people who don't live here. Once you live here, I agree 100%. But, we can pick and choose who lives here and we can do it based on religion. Remember there is also freedom of association. Inherent in the freedom to associate is the freedom to NOT associate.