Trouble/Challenges in Milwaukee

Many blacks want to live around other blacks. Why do we have china towns and japan towns? In San Francisco we have Irish neighborhoods, Italian neighborhoods, black neighborhoods and Hispanic neighborhoods. Ladera Heights in LA is known as the black Beverly Hills. Is it wrong that well to do blacks want to live around other well to do blacks? There are concerns that neighborhood is gentrifying. Look at Brooklyn and all the white people who have moved in there. Those are white people moving into a traditionally black neighborhood and pricing blacks out. Is that a good thing?

People generally tend to live in the best economic neighborhood they can afford and they want good schools. How people do you know that have money but choose to live in a poor neighborhood?

White liberals tend to think of self segregation as a neccessarily bad thing. Even as they choose to live amongst white people lol.

Which is amusing is amusing until they pass laws forcing other people to do what they choose not to.
 
Of all police shootings a black officer shooting an armed black man doesn't seem like it would be one to set people off. Article below is written by a long time resident of Milwaukee talking about what's happened over the past several decades in his neighborhood. Kind of depressing read actually.




Causey: Neighborhood caught in downward spiral


Why did this happen? That's the question many are asking in the aftermath of the fury that erupted in the Sherman Park area Saturday night.




Why did this happen? That's the question many are asking in the aftermath of the fury that erupted in the Sherman Park area Saturday night.

As a person who lives less than one mile from where the BP gas station was torched to the ground late Saturday, I can tell you that the neighborhood — once the place in Milwaukee for upwardly mobile, middle-class African Americans — has been balancing on the tipping point for years.

The fatal police shooting of an armed black man around 3:30 p.m. Saturday may have provided the spark, but the neighborhood has been on high simmer, with the temperature rising each year since the Great Recession, as the longed-for recovery never arrives.

The shooting occurred after a traffic stop of two men in a car led to a foot chase. Sylville Smith, 23, armed with a handgun, was fatally shot by a police officer.

I've lived near Sherman Blvd. and Capitol Drive for nearly four decades. The majority of people living in the area are hard-working individuals who just want to keep their neighborhood and families safe. However, in recent years many have become thankful just to make it home at night because of the violence and recklessness of some of their neighbors.

I have been a witness over the years as the loss of family-sustaining jobs, the breakdown of families, and the sense of despair about a better future have cast an ever-expanding cloud over the neighborhood.

Dramatic changes

Things have changed drastically in Milwaukee since the 1970s when my parents purchased their first home. Manufacturing jobs were plentiful and provided a livable wage to workers with a high school diploma. Those jobs, at places like Master Lock and Jay's Potato Chips, helped black families achieve their dream of home ownership in and around Sherman Park, where they hoped to build the foundation for a better future for their families.

Nearby, at the corner of Capitol Drive and Hopkins Street, are the former Tower Automotive and A.O. Smith sites that employed thousands of workers who welded the frames used by America's car manufacturers. The city has built Century City there to lure businesses back. Century City is a pretty building, but it's empty.

I'm not making excuses for anybody. There is no excuse for burning down businesses, setting cars on fire, shooting at squad cars, attacking reporters trying to do their jobs and turning a neighborhood into a war zone. There is no excuse for the rash of car thefts and car jackings, the property destruction, the violence that causes businesses to stay away from Century City when they recently filled the rejuvenated Menomonee Valley.

I'm describing what I've seen, a cycle of one thing leading to another, how the loss of jobs breaks some people and families, how self-destructive behavior multiplies, how drug use and crime proliferate — how the negative cycle feeds on itself, becoming a whirlpool, sucking a community downward, taking the innocent as well as the guilty.

Mayor Tom Barrett said during a midnight news conference that this is not the Milwaukee he knows. It's not the Milwaukee I knew either. It's definitely not the Milwaukee my parents tried to give to me.

Milwaukee had 145 homicide victims last year, a 69% increase from 2014. The city has counted more than 80 homicides so far this year, with five of those occurring between Friday and Saturday.

Barrett asked every resident of the neighborhood to help the police restore order. Ald. Russell Stamper II stated during the news conference that people are hurting and in pain, and he pledged to find funding to address the needs of the community. We've heard all this before. It's going to take a lot more.

Yes, it's going to take a more active and engaged mayor and common council willing to do whatever they can to help neighborhoods where many law-abiding residents feel long-ignored. Yes, it's going to take a more active and engaged criminal justice system that doesn't slap violent young offenders on the wrist.

It's also going to take a more active and engaged governor willing to sit at the table with local leaders and help create solutions for the city. Wisconsin can't be "Open for Business" everywhere except Milwaukee's poor neighborhoods — they remain a vital part of this state, even if mostly Democrats live there.

It's going to take more than government leaders. It's going to take a long-term commitment by people inside and outside Milwaukee, most of whom aren't government officials, to find more ways to connect family supporting jobs to people who desperately need them; to prepare people for their jobs even if they have lived through traumatic childhoods; to start building a cycle where one upward step leads to another.

I saw one of those steps taken Sunday morning, when dozens of people showed up outside the burned-out BP gas station with plastic bags and tools to clean up their neighborhood. The people of goodwill who live in this neighborhood have not lost hope. They are willing to do the hard work it will take to clean up this mess.

How many of us are willing to join them?


http://www.jsonline.com/story/opini...neighborhood-caught-downward-spiral/88728760/

Great OP.

I think it's way past time to correlate the economy with the spike in urban unrest: specifically, with jobs.

Lack of employment opportunities correlates with drug use, violence, gang membership and etc. And these are afflicting the black community moreso than most others.

And guess what? Not a bit of it will change under Hillary Clinton.
 
All good stuff, and really, if white democrats weren't so cozy & content with living in bubbles, they'd be just like the rest of us.
 
I didn't check when I purchased mine, I just bought a home. It was in an area I liked.

It must matter to some people because there are still white and black neighborhoods.

In the early '90's the Gheto Boys were a huge rap group out of the fifth ward in Houston. The fifth ward was a largely minority and poor area. Did you look there as a potential area to live? My guess is you probably didn't and I don't blame you one bit. Most people don't choose to live in higher crime areas of they don't have to. But according to what Christi's saying here you are afraid of black people because you moved to a lily white suburb
 
It depresses me to read sentences like this: "... the neighborhood — once the place in Milwaukee for upwardly mobile, middle-class African Americans —"

It's 2016 and African Americans still have live in separate neighborhoods, even the upwardly mobile ones.

Perhaps it's their choice ? It's certainly not the law.
 
I missed this story over the weekend..what was it about..didn't I see the black guy shot was armed and threating ?
 
In the early '90's the Gheto Boys were a huge rap group out of the fifth ward in Houston. The fifth ward was a largely minority and poor area. Did you look there as a potential area to live? My guess is you probably didn't and I don't blame you one bit. Most people don't choose to live in higher crime areas of they don't have to. But according to what Christi's saying here you are afraid of black people because you moved to a lily white suburb
We look in the area close to our daughter. I am not familiar with all of Houston as of yet, so, I am not familiar with the high crime areas. My daughters real estate agent is a black woman who is one of her best friends. I am not sure what transpired when she showed my daughter homes to buy.
 
In the early '90's the Gheto Boys were a huge rap group out of the fifth ward in Houston. The fifth ward was a largely minority and poor area. Did you look there as a potential area to live? My guess is you probably didn't and I don't blame you one bit. Most people don't choose to live in higher crime areas of they don't have to. But according to what Christi's saying here you are afraid of black people because you moved to a lily white suburb

Unfortunately, cawacko, some lily white people do move because they fear blacks, I know of people in my former hometown who felt that way about Blacks and Hispanics. Living here in Alaska we aren't subjected to all white or all blacks neighborhoods, our communities are all pretty mixed, even the lower income neighborhoods.
 
Unfortunately, cawacko, some lily white people do move because they fear blacks, I know of people in my former hometown who felt that way about Blacks and Hispanics. Living here in Alaska we aren't subjected to all white or all blacks neighborhoods, our communities are all pretty mixed, even the lower income neighborhoods.

Most people live in the nicest, safest with best school neighborhoods they can afford. That's generally universal.

The Bay Area is known as the bastion of progressivism yet have forced out many blacks because they don't allow new housing to be built here and blacks get oriced out. Is that subconscious racism?

I don't but the argument that a country that is about 60% white and 10% black is all racist because there exists white and black neighborhoods
 
We look in the area close to our daughter. I am not familiar with all of Houston as of yet, so, I am not familiar with the high crime areas. My daughters real estate agent is a black woman who is one of her best friends. I am not sure what transpired when she showed my daughter homes to buy.

Why did your daughter buy in an all white area? (I'm not attacking her by asking this nor do I think she did anything wrong chosing to live where she did. I've read a lot about SugarLands and hear excellent things about it.)
 
Unfortunately, cawacko, some lily white people do move because they fear blacks, I know of people in my former hometown who felt that way about Blacks and Hispanics. Living here in Alaska we aren't subjected to all white or all blacks neighborhoods, our communities are all pretty mixed, even the lower income neighborhoods.

To Christi's point should blacks not live in largely black communities? Do you see anything wrong with it?
 
White liberals tend to think of self segregation as a neccessarily bad thing. Even as they choose to live amongst white people lol.

Which is amusing is amusing until they pass laws forcing other people to do what they choose not to.

Like gay marriage?? Abortion, making it hard for "certain folks" to vote, etc.................................
 
To Christi's point should blacks not live in largely black communities? Do you see anything wrong with it?
I think you are missing her point, but she can verify that herself. People should be able to live where they can afford to live, it is just unfortunate that the rich don't want to live with the poor and some blacks don't want to live with whites and vice versa, it is my hope, eternal, that this will change, but it appears that It is still a human condition for some.
 
Of all police shootings a black officer shooting an armed black man doesn't seem like it would be one to set people off. Article below is written by a long time resident of Milwaukee talking about what's happened over the past several decades in his neighborhood. Kind of depressing read actually.




Causey: Neighborhood caught in downward spiral


Why did this happen? That's the question many are asking in the aftermath of the fury that erupted in the Sherman Park area Saturday night.




Why did this happen? That's the question many are asking in the aftermath of the fury that erupted in the Sherman Park area Saturday night.

As a person who lives less than one mile from where the BP gas station was torched to the ground late Saturday, I can tell you that the neighborhood — once the place in Milwaukee for upwardly mobile, middle-class African Americans — has been balancing on the tipping point for years.

The fatal police shooting of an armed black man around 3:30 p.m. Saturday may have provided the spark, but the neighborhood has been on high simmer, with the temperature rising each year since the Great Recession, as the longed-for recovery never arrives.

The shooting occurred after a traffic stop of two men in a car led to a foot chase. Sylville Smith, 23, armed with a handgun, was fatally shot by a police officer.

I've lived near Sherman Blvd. and Capitol Drive for nearly four decades. The majority of people living in the area are hard-working individuals who just want to keep their neighborhood and families safe. However, in recent years many have become thankful just to make it home at night because of the violence and recklessness of some of their neighbors.

I have been a witness over the years as the loss of family-sustaining jobs, the breakdown of families, and the sense of despair about a better future have cast an ever-expanding cloud over the neighborhood.

Dramatic changes

Things have changed drastically in Milwaukee since the 1970s when my parents purchased their first home. Manufacturing jobs were plentiful and provided a livable wage to workers with a high school diploma. Those jobs, at places like Master Lock and Jay's Potato Chips, helped black families achieve their dream of home ownership in and around Sherman Park, where they hoped to build the foundation for a better future for their families.

Nearby, at the corner of Capitol Drive and Hopkins Street, are the former Tower Automotive and A.O. Smith sites that employed thousands of workers who welded the frames used by America's car manufacturers. The city has built Century City there to lure businesses back. Century City is a pretty building, but it's empty.

I'm not making excuses for anybody. There is no excuse for burning down businesses, setting cars on fire, shooting at squad cars, attacking reporters trying to do their jobs and turning a neighborhood into a war zone. There is no excuse for the rash of car thefts and car jackings, the property destruction, the violence that causes businesses to stay away from Century City when they recently filled the rejuvenated Menomonee Valley.

I'm describing what I've seen, a cycle of one thing leading to another, how the loss of jobs breaks some people and families, how self-destructive behavior multiplies, how drug use and crime proliferate — how the negative cycle feeds on itself, becoming a whirlpool, sucking a community downward, taking the innocent as well as the guilty.

Mayor Tom Barrett said during a midnight news conference that this is not the Milwaukee he knows. It's not the Milwaukee I knew either. It's definitely not the Milwaukee my parents tried to give to me.

Milwaukee had 145 homicide victims last year, a 69% increase from 2014. The city has counted more than 80 homicides so far this year, with five of those occurring between Friday and Saturday.

Barrett asked every resident of the neighborhood to help the police restore order. Ald. Russell Stamper II stated during the news conference that people are hurting and in pain, and he pledged to find funding to address the needs of the community. We've heard all this before. It's going to take a lot more.

Yes, it's going to take a more active and engaged mayor and common council willing to do whatever they can to help neighborhoods where many law-abiding residents feel long-ignored. Yes, it's going to take a more active and engaged criminal justice system that doesn't slap violent young offenders on the wrist.

It's also going to take a more active and engaged governor willing to sit at the table with local leaders and help create solutions for the city. Wisconsin can't be "Open for Business" everywhere except Milwaukee's poor neighborhoods — they remain a vital part of this state, even if mostly Democrats live there.

It's going to take more than government leaders. It's going to take a long-term commitment by people inside and outside Milwaukee, most of whom aren't government officials, to find more ways to connect family supporting jobs to people who desperately need them; to prepare people for their jobs even if they have lived through traumatic childhoods; to start building a cycle where one upward step leads to another.

I saw one of those steps taken Sunday morning, when dozens of people showed up outside the burned-out BP gas station with plastic bags and tools to clean up their neighborhood. The people of goodwill who live in this neighborhood have not lost hope. They are willing to do the hard work it will take to clean up this mess.

How many of us are willing to join them?


http://www.jsonline.com/story/opini...neighborhood-caught-downward-spiral/88728760/

We have seen this during several periods in my lifetime. When and where ever you have a history of police bias against a "minority" community that results in brutality and exaggerated arrest rates, eventually that community explodes....and it doesn't take a justified incident to do that.

Now don't get me wrong....rioting and burning down your neighborhood/business area under any circumstances does no one any good....but if that came from another innocent person being brutalized or killed by the police, as opposed to a criminal, one can understand the reaction.

What happened in Milwaukee is a reaction of the mindset, "you don't see the cops shooting white guys for the same crimes and actions". And TO A DEGREE, that is true, BUT IT IS NOT WHOLLY TRUE.

Essentially, this a bad reaction to a bad situation.
 
We look in the area close to our daughter. I am not familiar with all of Houston as of yet, so, I am not familiar with the high crime areas. My daughters real estate agent is a black woman who is one of her best friends. I am not sure what transpired when she showed my daughter homes to buy.

There it is folks. Rancid's daughters real estate agent is a negro ergo Rancid can't be a racist. And she is one of her "best friends" to boot

Rancid seems amazingly nonchalant about such a major life decision as moving. It is almost as if Rancid wasn't involved

It is like she was given a sleeping pill and woke up one day in a lily white neighborhood.

You see Rancid really wants to live in an all black neighborhood.

Good stuff. Thanks for the laughs Rancid. This kind of stuff probably plays real well at your all white bridge club
 
We look in the area close to our daughter. I am not familiar with all of Houston as of yet, so, I am not familiar with the high crime areas. My daughters real estate agent is a black woman who is one of her best friends. I am not sure what transpired when she showed my daughter homes to buy.

OH WELL - FUCK!!

The real estate agent was a Black woman, so that is proof that Rana isn't a bigot and a racist; because I'm sure the real estate agent took Rana's liberalism into account. :palm:
 
We have seen this during several periods in my lifetime. When and where ever you have a history of police bias against a "minority" community that results in brutality and exaggerated arrest rates, eventually that community explodes....and it doesn't take a justified incident to do that.

Now don't get me wrong....rioting and burning down your neighborhood/business area under any circumstances does no one any good....but if that came from another innocent person being brutalized or killed by the police, as opposed to a criminal, one can understand the reaction.

What happened in Milwaukee is a reaction of the mindset, "you don't see the cops shooting white guys for the same crimes and actions". And TO A DEGREE, that is true, BUT IT IS NOT WHOLLY TRUE.

Essentially, this a bad reaction to a bad situation.

There's no putting a happy face on this one. The victim wasn't innocent but a perp; and he was shot by a black cop. Apparently we're supposed to believe black cops are in on the black genocide too.

It's obvious to many, many, people that racial discord has been ginned up by BLM, a media that refuses to challenge the BLM assumptions; an administration that picks sides in local issues involving race; a racial greviance industry that no one will challenge either out fear of being called racist or out of rank political considerations [theyre afraid to lose the black vote] or both.

And all of this is going on in urban areas run by liberals, many of them black, and run according to liberal policies.

To say it isn't working, is a gross understatement. And if Hillary wins the WH, it will only get worse and not better.
 
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