Travel Ban to Arizona

Jarod said:
NOt necessarly, it may be that the AZ situation is more untolerable because its is happening within our own country. It also may be that one has to start somewhere and changing the policy of AZ is more likely than changing the policy of the entire nation of Mex.
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I think you are wrong. To ignore the violations of one entity and actually accept and promote their support on the very issue you are supposedly taking an "ethical stance" on only points out rank and obvious hypocrisy.
 
Topspin said:
if you think public support for blacks didn't come in part through economic problems you should be your local tea bagger candidate.
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Again, large public support had more than just blacks boycotting downtown, not taking the bus. The economic pressure was put on by the large public support. Not by boycotting the bus. Bus systems never run profits.
 
Jarod said:
The Montgomery Bus system made money prior to the boycott, but the larger effect was the lack of customers being carried to the downtown area. It was economics that got the white businessmen to pressure the government for change.
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Link, please. Bus systems are run on government subsidies and the fares never pay for the system, just like trains, flat out it wasn't the bus system that applied economic pressure. It was public support for the boycott and the loss of business for entities that were not the bus system. If there was no public support those businesses would have done fine, there would have been no economic pressure.
 
It was after acknoledging that without the fairs of the Black Patrions they would likely go bankrupt that the Montgomery Bus Company anounced a change in the segregation policy.
 
Jarod said:
They are attempting to put economic pressure on the government of AZ. If there policies adversly affect the financial interests of businesses and citizins of AZ, those people and companies may in turn apply political pressure to the government to change the policies.

Thats your answer Damo.
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we call that economic terrorism
 
Damocles said:
LOL. It wasn't stopping use of the bus that effected change, nor will putting (largely) immigrants out of work (if it is even that effective for Denver Public Schools to stop official travel... as if they ever officially travel there).
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You think they don't know that? It's not about economic pressure. It is about political pressure. The boycott gets a headline and you repeat it in your denunciation of the boycott. It's a win-win for political pressure as even opponents draw attention to the position DPS has taken.

As far as China and Mexico... Their laws do not impact us the same way that the law of another state do. It is quite obvious that people are more concerned about the shit that hits the fan than they are about the shit that does not. Look at asshat and the AA whiners. They only care about the shit that hits on the very center of the fan.
 
If it actually did any real economic damage I might agree with Damo. It does not and is not intended to do economic damage.
 
RStringfield said:
If it actually did any real economic damage I might agree with Damo. It does not and is not intended to do economic damage.
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Yes, that is what I said as well. IF it was economically effective, then who would it hurt? The left tends to often read what they want in my questions rather than what they actually say.
 
RStringfield said:
You think they don't know that? It's not about economic pressure. It is about political pressure. The boycott gets a headline and you repeat it in your denunciation of the boycott. It's a win-win for political pressure as even opponents draw attention to the position DPS has taken.

As far as China and Mexico... Their laws do not impact us the same way that the law of another state do. It is quite obvious that people are more concerned about the shit that hits the fan than they are about the shit that does not. Look at asshat and the AA whiners. They only care about the shit that hits on the very center of the fan.
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The laws of Mexico directly effect us in this particular capacity. Often the immigration laws of places like China also will directly effect us, if they work to send "undesirables" under the auspice that they know we will not do anything about it, it is most definitely directly in effect to the US.

As for Mexico, while their immigration laws are draconic, they work to send people here, making pamphlets to that effect and directly lobby our government to support those "citizens" of Mexico that have entered the nation illegally. To pretend that such things have no effect on the US is just pretense. To actively seek their support for your political stances while ignoring directly the more draconian laws of that same entity is a whole new level of hypocrisy that only Boulder and DPS (so far that I know) seem to reach.
 
fuck az, if you sit by and do nothing in the face of blatant racism you get what you deserve racist budha
 
Topspin said:
fuck az, if you sit by and do nothing in the face of blatant racism you get what you deserve racist budha
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Again. Who is asking you to sit by and do nothing? I simply ask the question: IF it is economically effective who would it hurt the most? The government of AZ, or the people who they aim to support? Why would they, if the goal is to make an ethical stance, actively seek support from an entity with a far worse record than that of AZ (who only reiterated Federal law) to stand with?
 
Topspin said:
your not a simpleton but you often act like one
Buhda would not appove
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This is rich with irony, you cannot understand the question so you throw sad ad homs.

I'll ask you again: Who is asking you to sit by and do nothing?
 
Damo, apparently I missed something about seeking support from Mexico. Where is that?

But what does the Az law have to do with those countries sending us their rotten apples? Is Arizona deporting criminal citizens?
 
RStringfield said:
Damo, apparently I missed something about seeking support from Mexico. Where is that?

But what does the Az law have to do with those countries sending us their rotten apples? Is Arizona deporting criminal citizens?
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Well, I speak of Boulder and Denver Public Schools, who send delegates down to Mexico to get their support in teaching students in Spanish. (They buy history books and other textbooks directly from that government.) They sought to stand with the President of Mexico, and mention his stance in their speeches about this law in AZ. The reality is we have government entities willing to land in bed with a government with far more draconian laws on immigration, seek their support, buy books and equipment from them, and then take a stance on a far less draconian law elsewhere by not traveling there?

I can't remember a time when DPS had a reason to officially travel to AZ, but that is really beside my point. The direct and apparent hypocrisy is very real and thick here.
 
Damocles said:
Again. Who is asking you to sit by and do nothing? I simply ask the question: IF it is economically effective who would it hurt the most? The government of AZ, or the people who they aim to support?
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Nice! Classic concern trolling. :hand::hand:

We get it, bro’. You support the Arizona law, and you want Hispanic-americans and their white allies to be mean to Mexico instead of shining a light on a republican-inspired state law. I seriously doubt that this is in anyway primarily a function of your concern for poor arizona hotel cleaning ladies.


Why would they, if the goal is to make an ethical stance, actively seek support from an entity with a far worse record than that of AZ (who only reiterated Federal law) to stand with?
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see above. Jarod and Rstringfield covered this nicely.
 
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