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And required great sacrafice of the "little" people who took part.
Walking miles to work and miles home.
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And required great sacrafice of the "little" people who took part.
Walking miles to work and miles home.
I disagree, the road to social change starts with small steps. The argument that unless others do it it wont be effective is no excuse to not do it!
True, and again, it was large public support that made this effective. It certainly applied no economic pressure on the government who ran the bus system.
Jarod, you entirely missed what I said and went off in a different direction.
These same entities do business with other entities with even worse records on the exact same issue. Mexico itself has a far worse record on immigration, as does China, Japan even. This is a direct and obvious attempt to garner party support and not to make an ethical stance. If an ethics stance was their goal there would be a list of places they need to boycott due to this same issue.
It makes a difference when it is a state in your own Nation that does it!
Not really. Not when a portion of the argument against it is supported by the same governments with worse records on immigration. When the President of Mexico takes the same stance as Boulder, and Boulder doesn't call them on their hypocrisy and equally apply the same "ethical stance" to that entity, it only exposes their own hypocritical stance and make it obvious it is being done for party politics purpose rather than any ethical stance.
TO me, just because Mexico does it does not make it right.
To me, if it is wrong, it is equally wrong when Mexico does it as when any other entity does. To support one with official stances while saying the other is "wrong" is hypocritical. The city of Boulder does exactly this, as well as Denver Public Schools. Shoot, DPS regularly sends people to Mexico on official business, ignoring draconian laws against illegal immigration, yet this other entity, to which I can't imagine they ever travel in official capacity, passes less draconian laws and there is a sudden urge to say something...
Both are wrong...
Now, do you really belive that the Montgomery Bus Boycott had no effect of the civil rights movement?
I said it had no effect on the economics. Please actually read what I say and not what you hope I say. Buses are run by government entities at a loss, not taking the bus doesn't apply economic pressure to anyone. Where the pressure came from there was the public support for their plight.
So you belive that economics were not effected by the Montgomery Bus Boycotts?
Now that we understand that "both are wrong" are you saying that it is hypocritical indeed to support one entity while boycotting the other?
The whole point of the MBB was that the city lost tuns of money on bus fair that they depended on. The downtown merchants lost tuns of money on lost customers who could not get downtown.
When the white businessmen started to lose money they petitioned the city for changes.
When the white businessmen started to lose money they petitioned the city for changes.
I believe that the government was not under economic pressure, they were under political pressure because of the public support.
Again, public bus systems are run by governments at a loss, it doesn't apply economic pressure to not take the bus.
NOt necessarly, it may be that the AZ situation is more untolerable because its is happening within our own country. It also may be that one has to start somewhere and changing the policy of AZ is more likely than changing the policy of the entire nation of Mex.
Again bus systems are never run solely on fares, never, governments do not run profits on public transportation.
Now, boycotting downtown itself... that would apply economic pressure if it is supported by the public and therefore effective.
The Montgomery Bus system made money prior to the boycott, but the larger effect was the lack of customers being carried to the downtown area. It was economics that got the white businessmen to pressure the government for change.