Top reasons to buy an electric car instead of a gas vehicle. MAGA wets panties.

floridafan said:
It depends on the Tesla model sweetie, they can get up to a 400 mile range and charge in less than 30 min.
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In all-highway driving at high speeds (necessary to do this) the range on the Model 3 long range (385 miles claimed) falls to about 300, possibly less, and I'd think that 250 is a viable number between charges. It also charges slower taking about 20 minutes on a Tesla fast charger, and if you add in getting off the freeway, getting to the charging station, and back on, say 45 minutes per charge is realistic. So we're back to somewhere around the 4 hour mark total.

I'm trying to be fair about this and not give one an edge over the other. Doing the drive suggested in 23 hours is going to be tough, and it'd be tough in an ICE vehicle simply because you have to maintain some serious speeds on the interstates and back East you hit a lot of traffic that you wouldn't have in say, West Texas.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You need pretty close to a full charge each time, and you can't assume a fast charge is available each time.
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But fast charge is often available which cuts the full charge time down to a much, much more reasonable level.

And the key here is that we can always increase the charging infrastructure. We are at the BIRTH of the movement, not in the middle.

Think about how hard it would have been to make even a modest trip in an ICE vehicle in 1912. Almost no gas stations anywhere....but now you don't even have to think about it.


With an ICE vehicle, I can drive it right to empty or nearly empty, fill the tank in under 10 minutes and be back on the road. Think of this as pitting in NASCAR or an endurance race like Le Mans. Faster pits mean less loss of position. So, if I have an ICE vehicle that can go roughly the same distance as the EV, I need 4 stops of 10 minutes let's say or about 1/20th of the time the EV takes to refuel.
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MAYBE but really only on long trips, which isn't the standard driving model. I have happily used my EV for 3 years with no problems. Most of my driving is within a few miles of home (as most people's driving is) and if I wanted to take a longer trip I could without too much hassle.

I will READILY agree that EV's are not a perfect drop in for all ICE vehicle applications. They aren't. They need work and investment.

And remember that ICE vehicles have helped actually structure much of our society (distributed systems, suburbs etc.) and as such the systems were MADE FOR GASOLINE-BURNING CARS. So OF COURSE new technologies are going to require a little more time and our effort to bring them online.

This is EXACTLY how all our valued technologies came online. We all enjoy electricity now, but the US Government paid a LOT in the rural electrification programs of the 1930's to ensure that it was a viable technology across the US. We all enjoy the internet, but it was originally a government created and funded system (I'm oversimplifying its origins for brevity's sake). We all enjoy getting cheap vegetables at the store, but a HUGE amount of the agricultural benefits we enjoy come directly from USDA research (not even outside research, but research done BY US GOVERNMENT SCIENTISTS). The list goes on.

This is where I think you and I diverge. You seem to see no value to future development and prefer "status quo" for technologies. I, however, wish for technology to develop and grow.

Obviously another key aspect you and I differ on is relative knowledge of the chemistry and environmental impact from fossil fuels. Something I am far more knowledgeable about than the average JPP poster.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Top reasons to buy an electric car instead of a gas vehicle

https://apple.news/AhnCrlmP2T1SKYR18k-wChg

I've driven electric cars from Tesla, Audi, Porsche, Hyundai, Kia, Volkswagen, Rivian, and more.*
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EVs offer tons of benefits over gas cars that have nothing to do with being green.
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Electric rides are quick, fun, spacious, and brimming with cutting-edge features.*
After driving well over a dozen new electric cars, I'm convinced that one is in my future.*
To be sure, there are real challenges to buying and owning an electric vehicle today. They're quite expensive to buy new and hard to find used. Charging infrastructure is immature enough that it can pose a challenge on long road trips.
But the many advantages of EVs are tough to ignore.*
EVs are quick, fun, and quiet

Almost all EVs, from budget Chevys to sporty Audis, have more pep in their step than comparable gas cars. They deliver instant, brisk acceleration that helps immensely with quick merges and the like. And besides the practical benefits, being able to shoot forward at a moment's notice is just plain fun.*
They're also super quiet and smooth on the road, since you don't hear the grumble of an engine or feel its vibrations. Particularly in high-end models like the Mercedes-Benz EQS, the experience is serene.*
They're packed with interesting features

Electric cars are where you'll find the latest in automotive tech and novel features you didn't think you needed.*
Teslas, for example, have a dog mode that keeps the air on for your pet and a sentry mode that records any fishy behavior near your car. The Chevy Bolt EUV offers Super Cruise, an excellent hands-free driving system for highways. The Mercedes EQS has an optional 56-inch array of screens that should make tech lovers salivate.*

The Kia EV6 boasts a couple of power outlets, while the Ford F-150 Lightning can offload enough electricity to power a house for days.
They offer cool storage solutions and spacious interiors

Since electric cars lack bulky components like an engine and transmission, automakers enjoy lots of flexibility to add extra interior room for people and stuff.*
Take the Ioniq 5 SUV, for example. Hyundai stretched its wheels far out to either end, boosting passenger comfort. Like many EVs, it has a totally flat floor (with no hump running down the middle) which does wonders for legroom. And it has a unique, sliding center console that lets owners decide when to free up more space in back or up front.*


The Rivian R1T pickup truck has an awe-inspiring gear tunnel, a transverse storage cubby behind the rear seats that's accessed from either side of the vehicle. The F-150 Lightning, among other electric models, offers a giant front trunk. Tesla's Model Y pairs a frunk with generous under-floor storage in back.*

Charging can be more convenient than getting gas
Once you get the hang of charging, it can actually be less of a hassle than filling up on gas. If you have a garage or driveway, you can plug in an EV at home overnight and wake up with a full charge in the morning. And while you run errands or travel, you can often find chargers to add a little juice while you're out and about.
Yes, an EV needs to sit for a long while to charge — much longer than a typical fuel stop — but consider how much of the day your car is sitting anyway.*

For example, while I spent the day skiing last winter, I left the Polestar 2 I was reviewing plugged into a free charger at the mountain and came back to a nearly full battery. Charging will only get more streamlined as more plugs sprout up in parking lots, offices, and on city streets.*
All these advantages, plus the huge benefit of not burning fossil fuels, make EVs a clear choice for many buyers.
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I would buy one tomorrow, if we had the infrastructure in place for electric cars and 400 mile range and 5 to 10 minute charge time too?!! That being said, I hope to end my driving days in an electric car?!!


 
floridafan said:
You can do it easily in a Tesla. try it before opening your big mouth
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Liar. The distance from Miami, FL to Newark, NJ is 1,270 miles, and the trip normally takes 19 hours of driving.

A Tesla will have to be fully recharged from nearly fully drained four to five times to make such a trip (assuming new batteries). You're not gettin' there in 23 hours!
A gasoline car will have to be refueled four times, for a total of 20 minutes at fuel stops, making it possible to reach the destination in 19.5 hours.

And the gasoline car will use a lot less energy doing it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It would be really tight timing in a Tesla. Newark to Orlando is about 1100 miles. If you assume a 250 mile range between charges (you can't go right to the max range both because you can't time the charging station locations out that way and you don't want to brick the vehicle), the total time at 70 mph average--that means driving 75 to 80 and doing 4 charges along the way, comes out to about--about-- 21 hours. I doubt though on interstates on the Eastern seaboard you can maintain 75 to 80 driving so the time would stretch and at an average of just 5 mph lower it runs over the 23 hours.
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Don't forget the additional loads placed on the EV during nighttime (headlights...even LED headlights are a significant energy drain), or inclement weather (rain squalls, etc. that are inevitably found along the way). Wipers, heaters, defoggers, etc. are an additional load on the EV battery. This is a trip requiring more than 12 hours.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
How long are you assuming a "Charging session" takes?
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Varies on what you can find.

Assuming class 2 charging (the type you see in shopping mall parking lots and the like) and no waiting for a charging station to clear, each charge will take 12 hours for a total of spending 48 hours at charging stations for such a trip. (source: Tesla).
Assuming you CAN find class 3 charges at each stop (not easily done!), and assuming no waiting period for a charging station to clear, each charge will take 25 minutes for a total of spending 1.6 hours at charging stations, and using these damages the battery.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So? You didn't drive the vehicle to ZERO charge either. You can drive an ICE to zero (eg., runs out of gas) and just refuel it. You drive a Tesla to zero and you have a brick.
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Does anybody else knows what the fuck This MAGA moron is talking about or what point he's trying to make?
 
signalmankenneth said:
I would buy one tomorrow, if we had the infrastructure in place for electric cars and 400 mile range and 5 to 10 minute charge time too?!! That being said, I hope to end my driving days in an electric car?!!
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I'll give it five years and your wishes will be granted. And you're gonna love driving 'em.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
But fast charge is often available which cuts the full charge time down to a much, much more reasonable level.

And the key here is that we can always increase the charging infrastructure. We are at the BIRTH of the movement, not in the middle.

Think about how hard it would have been to make even a modest trip in an ICE vehicle in 1912. Almost no gas stations anywhere....but now you don't even have to think about it.




MAYBE but really only on long trips, which isn't the standard driving model. I have happily used my EV for 3 years with no problems. Most of my driving is within a few miles of home (as most people's driving is) and if I wanted to take a longer trip I could without too much hassle.

I will READILY agree that EV's are not a perfect drop in for all ICE vehicle applications. They aren't. They need work and investment.

And remember that ICE vehicles have helped actually structure much of our society (distributed systems, suburbs etc.) and as such the systems were MADE FOR GASOLINE-BURNING CARS. So OF COURSE new technologies are going to require a little more time and our effort to bring them online.

This is EXACTLY how all our valued technologies came online. We all enjoy electricity now, but the US Government paid a LOT in the rural electrification programs of the 1930's to ensure that it was a viable technology across the US. We all enjoy the internet, but it was originally a government created and funded system (I'm oversimplifying its origins for brevity's sake). We all enjoy getting cheap vegetables at the store, but a HUGE amount of the agricultural benefits we enjoy come directly from USDA research (not even outside research, but research done BY US GOVERNMENT SCIENTISTS). The list goes on.

This is where I think you and I diverge. You seem to see no value to future development and prefer "status quo" for technologies. I, however, wish for technology to develop and grow.

Obviously another key aspect you and I differ on is relative knowledge of the chemistry and environmental impact from fossil fuels. Something I am far more knowledgeable about than the average JPP poster.
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Already discussed. Fast charging EV batteries on class 3 chargers damages them. Not much, just a tad, but does result in less retention capacity of the battery (reducing range).
 
Into the Night said:
This latest storm (and flooding) will also cause a rash of EV fires, as the corrosion sets in from it.
Another wet storm is headed their way too. It's still way out in the Pacific at this time though.

Knocked down power lines, flooding causing corrosion, and inadequate generating capability. The only way to keep the grid up is to shed load. That means loads from charging EVs.
What a disaster for EVs this is.
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The Eco-buggy Revolution Is in Dire Need of De-Bugging
 
floridafan said:
Do you really think that auto manufacturers worldwide, who are all committed to electric vehicles, are planning to commit trillion dollar suicide due to a lack of electricity? Possibly these multi billion dollar companies know a lot more than you could ever hope to.
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There are 3 grids in the US the Western the Eastern and the Texas grids. They were telling people not to charge their cars on the Western grid this year. We all saw the near collapse of the Texas grid . The Eastern grid users have also been told to conserve their electricity usage. So the electric grids are not ready for a sharp increase in EVs.




Plug-in cars are the future. The grid isn’t ready.


And in New York City this summer, the utility Con Edison appealed to customers to cut back on their electricity usage during the strain of five separate heat waves, while Tropical Storms Elsa, Henri and Ida cut power to thousands.
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