To Hell With Charlie Kirk

[Dutch Uncle]

No one has to tell me. These miracles are the basic tenets of the atheist belief system.

On the other hand, if you want to claim you simply don't know how the universe began, don't know how the universe was finely tuned, don't know where the physical laws come from and why they exist, and don't know how life comes from non-life, then you are not an atheist. You are an agnostic.

A firm militant atheist admitting they are wrong and moves toward the center as an agnostic??? I doubt it.

 

[gmark77]

No one has to tell me. These miracles are the basic tenets of the atheist belief system.

On the other hand, if you want to claim you simply don't know how the universe began, don't know how the universe was finely tuned, don't know where the physical laws come from and why they exist, and don't know how life comes from non-life, then you are not an atheist. You are an agnostic.

LOL. Atheists are not allowed anywhere near Cy.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

LOL. Atheists are not allowed anywhere near Cy.

Perry's OCD continues.

 

[gmark77]

Who here is agnostic about the existence of a 25' tall giant who lives in my backyard? Everyone on here, according to Cy, is by definition agnostic about my claim because they don't know.

Of course 99% of actual functioning adults will also tell you that they simply don't believe that such a giant exists.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Who here is agnostic about the existence of a 25' tall giant who lives in my backyard? Everyone on here, according to Cy, is by definition agnostic about my claim because they don't know.

Of course 99% of actual functioning adults will also tell you that they simply don't believe that such a giant exists.

QED

 

[gmark77]

"I've seen the 25' giant person that lives in gmark's back yard"
-Anonymous

"It's true! There's a 26' tall giant living in gmark's front yard"
-Anonymous 2

There! It's been testified to! It must be at least considered possible that gmark has a giant in his back yard.

QED.

Are you agnostic yet?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

"I've seen the 25' giant person that lives in gmark's back yard"
-Anonymous

"It's true! There's a 26' tall giant living in gmark's front yard"
-Anonymous 2

There! It's been testified to! It must be at least considered possible that gmark has a giant in his back yard.

QED.

Are you agnostic yet?

Oh, Perry. He loves to pull his pud in public. LOL

 

[Into the Night]

I don't.

Then why did you claim He was??

 

[Into the Night]

Nothing “logical” about life after death.

Vacuous argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

A firm militant atheist admitting they are wrong and moves toward the center as an agnostic??? I doubt it.

There is no such thing as a 'militant atheist', Sybil.

 

[Cypress]

A firm militant atheist admitting they are wrong and moves toward the center as an agnostic??? I doubt it.

We are wading deep into illogical arguments here.

On the one hand, some people don't know the origin of the universe, on the other hand they are also 100 percent sure it was by inanimate physical reasons.

It also is illogical to claim purely inanimate random chance would result in a mathematically organized and finely tuned universe subject to universal laws of physics.

 

[Cypress]

A firm militant atheist admitting they are wrong and moves toward the center as an agnostic??? I doubt it.

I think in a sense we are all agnostics, whether we want to admit it or not.

 

[AProudLefty]

Then why did you claim He was??

I didn't. Imagining posts that aren't there again?

 

[gmark77]

I think in a sense we are all agnostics, whether we want to admit it or not.

 

[Into the Night]

I didn't. Imagining posts that aren't there again?

Denying your own post never works, LeftNut.

 

[AProudLefty]

Denying your own post never works, LeftNut.

So predictable.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

We are wading deep into illogical arguments here.

On the one hand, some people don't know the origin of the universe, on the other hand they are also 100 percent sure it was by inanimate physical reasons.

It also is illogical to claim purely inanimate random chance would result in a mathematically organized and finely tuned universe subject to universal laws of physics.

Which goes back to something explained to both atheists and theists before: the only logical position is agnosticism.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I think in a sense we are all agnostics, whether we want to admit it or not.

I'm not so sure. Ardent theists and militant atheists are pretty certain in their beliefs.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Poor Perry. So confused he's now speechless.

 

[Cypress]

Yep, I sure have. Paul is the one who hijacked the teachings of Jesus and concocted, or at least promoted, a bunch of shit Jesus never said.

Illogical.
The apostles and witnesses were still alive when during Paul's ministry. If Paul was lying and fabricating, why didn't the other apostles and witnesses confront him?

Paul actually challenged people to talk to the witnesses if they wanted to corroborate what he said.

You have no fucking idea who wrote those gospels. They never met Jesus, heard Jesus, saw Jesus or knew Jesus, much less witness a resurrection.They merely passed on some stories they had heard. And not very accurately, either.

I don't think you have the proof to definitively say the authors attached to the gospels are fake.

There is substantial evidence that the apostles or companions of the apostles wrote the gospel account's.

That's almost as good as it gets for ancient history. Otherwise, if you consistently applied your standards of hyper-skepticism you would have to write off everything Herodotus wrote.

Hos about those Mormon tablets?

John Smith was a known petty criminal and some of his earliest witnesses and companions abandoned him.

That hurts his credibility.

Jesus seemed to have had the highest moral caliber, and after the crucifixion we have no record of any apostle recanting him.

That helps the credibility of Jesus.