To Evince

Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Ways and Means Health Subcommittee, has sent a letter to the top ten for-profit health insurance companies demanding they pass their excessive profits on to their customers by lowering premiums.

Stark reported Wednesday that the collective $9.3 billion in profits for the first nine months of 2010 is up an average of 41 percent over the same period last year.

This profit comes despite the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by the foes of health care reform to blunt reform and ensure the absence of a public option. The health care industry as a whole sent an average of six lobbyists to every elected official on Capitol Hill to defeat reform.
 
http://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2010/11/15/insurance-company-profits-up-41-percent/


insurance company profits up 41 percent
health subcommittee chairman calls insurers to pass excessive profits on to customers by cutting premiums
By Chuck Smith-Dewey
healthinsurance.org founder

November 15, 2010

lmao.... 'excessive profits'.... you just posted the same moronic data that you earlier posted, except this time your pathetic author didn't bother to include the revenue numbers for each of those firms. Probably because he didn't want people like me pointing out that they are not making excessive profits.

Amazing how many stupid people fall for bullshit like that desh.

Also... comparing the dollars of profit from one year to the next is hardly telling a complete story.

If company 'x' makes $1000 profit (barely staying in the black) and the next year makes $25,000 profit idiots like you could scream 'their profits went up by 2500%!!!!! OMG OMG!!!'

THAT is why people look at profit relative to revenue. That is why the number that matters is profit MARGIN. It shows whether or not a company is making too much.

My guess is that your profit margin on your rental properties is higher than the insurance companies. But I doubt that would stop you from charging the fair rent for that area. Somehow I doubt you are going to say 'sorry for making a profit, I will cut your rent'.
 
That 41% of profits is not even a full year super.

The HCI cos are still raping us no matter how much you want to pretend they are not.

No they aren't desh. The only one pretending is YOU. I have shown you the ACTUAL profit margins of those companies. You keep ignoring them because it doesn't fit into your fantasy world.
 
Funny how these FUCKS story changes depending on the who they are talking to.

http://www.topnews.us/content/218594-us-health-insurance-company-aetna-gains-29-profit

04/29/2010 - 17:09
The third biggest U. S. health insurance company Aetna Inc. today announced that, the profits rose to 29 per cent as the company lowered its cost and raised its premiums. In the first quarter, the net income rose up to $562.6 million, which is almost $1.28 per share. The revenue almost rose up to less than a percent to $8.62 billion.
 
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Wellpoint profit margin.... 8.55%

Google.... 28%

Aetna.... 4.8%

Apple ..... 21.5%

Cigna.... 5.93%

Bed Bath & Beyond.... 8.41%

United Health.... 4.93%

Netflix.... 7.19%

Starbucks.... 8.83%

Tell me Desh... how are they raping us? Their profit margins are not anywhere NEAR extreme. You just want to bitch because they are perceived as some great liberal 'boogeyman' (or is it boogeyperson these days?)
 
Funny how these FUCKS story changes depending on the who they are talking to.

http://www.topnews.us/content/218594-us-health-insurance-company-aetna-gains-29-profit

04/29/2010 - 17:09
The third biggest U. S. health insurance company Aetna Inc. today announced that, the profits rose to 29 per cent as the company lowered its cost and raised its premiums. In the first quarter, the net income rose up to $562.6 million, which is almost $1.28 per share. The revenue almost rose up to less than a percent to $8.62 billion.

so some 'member' of this website writes an erroneous article and YOU lap it up.

1) It was from April of 2010

2) This is from some 'member' of this site that has been a member for 2.5 years

3) This member is an idiot

4) His article is WRONG

5) Profits didn't rise TO 29% (amazing how one little word can change reality)

6) Profits at THAT time rose 29% year over year... which is expected given the market and economy rose from March of 2009 (when the market bottomed) to March of 2010 (which was the year over year period in question)

7) Aetna's profit margin is 4.98%
 
SP why is this 28% profit rise in one quarter this year not jibing with your shit?

Like i said, your ignorance and lapping up what some blogger stated erroneously is the problem.

That said.... earning vary from quarter to quarter. Saying it 'went up 28%' doesn't tell us anything if you don't have the base numbers.

If I profited $1 in quarter one and profited $5 in quarter two... some moronic blogger could write.... 'their profit went up 400%'... yet in BOTH quarters I would barely be profitable.

Can you grasp that simple concept desh?
 
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/09/23/Business/Skyrockets__insurance.shtml

Its been going on for awhile.

SP quit shoving your head up the ass of these fucks.

again you fucking moron....

They are saying profits rose year over year. That AGAIN does not show what their profit margin was at the time. The hack journalist AGAIN does not show us the base period.

Again... I know you like this current boogeyman, but no matter how many poorly written articles you find.... it won't change the FACT of what their profit margins actually are. It won't change the FACT that their profit margins are in line with other industries and way BEHIND the fast growth sectors.

But you will again ignore my attempts to educated your moronic ass on this topic. You will continue to ignore it, because it is YOUR head that is buried in your masters asses.

YOU did this same shit with the oil industry.
 
Sp you can call me stupid all you want but a 1 quater profit increase of 28% in a year when they are claiming this new legislation is causing them to raise prices is complete horseshit.

You know it, I know it and anyone with a brain knows it.


They are gaming the numbers and you just keep getting shit in your ears
 
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1) Highmark is a NON PROFIT health care provider

Yep, and they can still afford to pay their CEOs a lot more money than the average CEO in this area earns. here's a link to what the top 50 executives our area earn. The average is $800K plus. Now look at the CEOs of the two largest Blues here: Joe Frick gets $2.7 million and Ken Melani gets $3.6 million.

2) FROM YOUR LINK, their profit margin is 1.4%. Which means they just barely covered all of their expenses.

What should the profit margin of a non-profit organization be?

If you and Desh are not savvy enough with regards to how businesses operate, then just say so.

I never claimed to be a financial expert or money manager but one thing I know for sure is that nobody smart stays in a business if they're losing money. Maybe you can tell me the name of a health insurer who went bankrupt for being too generous to clients, because I sure as heck haven't been able to find one.

I know the left loves to scream about total dollar increases rather than actually looking at relevant data, but it is pathetic if you continue to fail to grasp the simple concept of profit margins.

I hardly believe this applies only to the left, or that the right is totally content with with regular premium increases.

Also from your link...

You just bitch about them because some hack of a 'journalist' shouts 'they doubled their profits in terms of dollars'

I bitch about them because of the randomness of their decisions on who and what gets covered. And I bitch when I read that non-profit executives get twice or three times the compensation of for-profit executives.

I also bitch when conservatives tell me I (the people) want to have everything covered and pay nothing. We the people are paying hundreds a month just for the coverage in addition to co-pays for using the services or filling prescriptions. No insurance company ever gave me a cafeteria menu of items I can select or drop from the plan, and I could save the company money if that were the case. I'm thin, have excellent health, low BP and good cholesterol numbers; in fact, the insurance company's dream client. I don't have a medical file eight inches thick, but all that was overlooked because of the migraines. So I don't need to hear some sob story about the poor insurance company and it's greedy customers because there are a lot of people out there like me getting screwed by their decision panels.
 
again... you talk about the profits in terms of dollars because it sounds 'cool'.... again... look at the profit MARGINS....

$60 Billion sounds like a lot until you compare it to the trillions of dollars in the insurance industry. They are not making high profit margins no matter how many moronic articles you post.

This is the same stupid shit that liberals did when oil companies posted profits. All they talked about was a companies 'record profits'. Ignoring M&A activity, ignoring the size and scope of the industry and ignoring the actual profit margins of the companies they were bitching about.

The oil companies aren't providing services that individuals are paying for on a par with paying for medical care. Oil companies don't have panels deciding what type of gasoline a customer can buy, or whether they're permitted to use one with a higher octane rating.
 
.Yep, and they can still afford to pay their CEOs a lot more money than the average CEO in this area earns. here's a link to what the top 50 executives our area earn. The average is $800K plus. Now look at the CEOs of the two largest Blues here: Joe Frick gets $2.7 million and Ken Melani gets $3.6 million.

I don't disagree that many executives are overpaid. That said, again.... are you comparing apples to apples?

Out of those top 50 companies in your area.... how many employees do each have? Which industries are they in? etc...

To be frank, those salaries of the CEO's you posted are not that high.



What should the profit margin of a non-profit organization be?

Technically, it is not called a profit margin with non-profits, they are called surpluses. Any money that ends up in the black gets put back into the company in the current year or is a carry forward to the next years business. It is not distributed to any shareholders or owners. The IRS is very particular on how they tax non-profits. If the revenue generated is in relation to the goal of the non-profit, then it is not taxed. If the non-profit earns money that is not related to its goals, then it MAY be taxed.

I never claimed to be a financial expert or money manager but one thing I know for sure is that nobody smart stays in a business if they're losing money. Maybe you can tell me the name of a health insurer who went bankrupt for being too generous to clients, because I sure as heck haven't been able to find one.

Except for our government of course.

As for the health insurers.... you will not find one that went bankrupt. The reason being that when an insurer is in danger of bankruptcy, typically another firm will come in and buy the firm and its assets.

That said, I never stated they don't make money. I stated that they are not raping us as Desh likes to put it. They have been making consistent profit margins for the past century. They tend to fall in the 6-8% range, though lately they have been LOWER than normal due to increases in costs.

I hardly believe this applies only to the left, or that the right is totally content with with regular premium increases.

I don't think anyone likes the premium increases. My point there was to tell Desh to quit being dishonest. The reference to the 'left' was in regards to their constant misuse of data. the same thing they did with the oil companies.

I bitch about them because of the randomness of their decisions on who and what gets covered. And I bitch when I read that non-profit executives get twice or three times the compensation of for-profit executives.

I would like to see the data that shows non-profit execs getting 2-3 times the salary of their for profit counterparts.

I also bitch when conservatives tell me I (the people) want to have everything covered and pay nothing. We the people are paying hundreds a month just for the coverage in addition to co-pays for using the services or filling prescriptions. No insurance company ever gave me a cafeteria menu of items I can select or drop from the plan, and I could save the company money if that were the case. I'm thin, have excellent health, low BP and good cholesterol numbers; in fact, the insurance company's dream client. I don't have a medical file eight inches thick, but all that was overlooked because of the migraines. So I don't need to hear some sob story about the poor insurance company and it's greedy customers because there are a lot of people out there like me getting screwed by their decision panels.

The above is PRECISELY the problem with corporate 'guaranteed coverage plans'. Those plans incorporate the things you want, the things your coworkers want, etc... That is why I stated we should revert back to individual plans that we must each qualify for.

Personally I do not use my company plan. I have the same deductible as their plan, but pay 1/3 the cost. The reason is that I went out and qualified for my own plan. you could do the same.
 
The oil companies aren't providing services that individuals are paying for on a par with paying for medical care. Oil companies don't have panels deciding what type of gasoline a customer can buy, or whether they're permitted to use one with a higher octane rating.

which is 100% irrelevant to the point I was making to desh.
 
Sp you can call me stupid all you want but a 1 quater profit increase of 28% in a year when they are claiming this new legislation is causing them to raise prices is complete horseshit.

You know it, I know it and anyone with a brain knows it.


They are gaming the numbers and you just keep getting shit in your ears

Again you brain dead fucking moron.....

WHAT WAS THE BASE INCREASE FROM?

WAS IT FROM A DOWN YEAR OR QUARTER?

READ this desh...

If their profit was $1 and then it went to $1.28.... both just barely being profitable....

they would have your 28% increase.

Now if they made $1T profit and then went to $1.28T

they would also have a 28% increase.

Now answer this DESH....

Do you think the base numbers have meaning?
 
Are you done pretending the numbers in that article were bad reporting now?

They were the numbers that atena released.

Thier profit was up 28% in the first quarter of this year and they stated they produced this by cutting services and raising rates.


SP you have some shit behind your ears too.

Really you should find elsewhere to put your head.
 
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