Thorn??? You ever hear of Açai berry?

Watermark said:
Yeah Chap. It could be the placebo effect. Thanks for pointing that out. You won't know until research is conducted on it, but thanks for mocking the science that brought you from snakeskin oil to vaccines that have saved probably more than a couple of billion of lives.
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dude.. again i don't have a problem with vaccines.. i do have a problem with the quantity of vaccines like for flu, chickenpox, and hep shot the infant gets. Also I have a problem with stacked vaccines like MMR when it can be split up. There is a lot of evidence that stacking is harmfull.
 
Chapdog said:
dude.. again i don't have a problem with vaccines.. i do have a problem with the quantity of vaccines like for flu, chickenpox, and hep shot the infant gets. Also I have a problem with stacked vaccines like MMR when it can be split up. There is a lot of evidence that stacking is harmfull.
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Oh alright.
 
Watermark said:
Oh alright.
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half the time they dont even inject the right flu vaccine into you. Also that new vaccine for HPV probably doesn't even work but they sell it like its proven.

Go ahead and fill your won body and your future kids bodies with mercury and other shit they dont need.
 
Chapdog said:
half the time they dont even inject the right flu vaccine into you. Also that new vaccine for HPV probably doesn't even work but they sell it like its proven.

Go ahead and fill your won body and your future kids bodies with mercury and other shit they dont need.
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Chap, they don't use mercury any more. But you're right, we should be extremely careful about what we do to our bodies. Your concerns about "stacking" are very well founded, too.
 
Thorn said:
Chap, they don't use mercury any more. But you're right, we should be extremely careful about what we do to our bodies. Your concerns about "stacking" are very well founded, too.
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I think the flu one still uses it.
 
Thorn said:
O crap, now you're going to make me look it up! I'll find out and let you know. Sorry!
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There's an article in the NY Times health section this week about vitamins. It ends up that according to several recent, and well-conducted studies, they have zero effect on cancer and heart disease rates. Some are actually harmful, like vitamin a and a couple of others. It basically concluded that if you eat a diet high in green leafy vegetables and fruits, you do lower your risk of cancer and heart disease. But there's no easy way out and no pill. It was really interesting.
 
Chapdog said:
I think the flu one still uses it.
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Don't think so. I've noticed the big ad campaign this season for flu shots; it suggests to me that despite previous pushes, the whole flu shot thing hasn't been particularly well received. Certainly they're not very successful, as they're based on the prior year's form of the virus and the mutations that lead to the current flu strains are unpredictable. I noticed that now they're targeting pretty much everybody in those ad campaigns, trying to touch on both fears and guilt. I don't get flu shots. I do try not to expose myself to known sources, which has limited success, but also am extremely healthy overall, and seem able to repel most naughty bugs that come my way. So far.
 
Darla said:
There's an article in the NY Times health section this week about vitamins. It ends up that according to several recent, and well-conducted studies, they have zero effect on cancer and heart disease rates. Some are actually harmful, like vitamin a and a couple of others. It basically concluded that if you eat a diet high in green leafy vegetables and fruits, you do lower your risk of cancer and heart disease. But there's no easy way out and no pill. It was really interesting.
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I saw that too; it's about time. Vitamins A and D are lipophilic, or attracted to fat cells, and whatever isn't used will accumulate in the body. Vitamin A toxicity is pretty well described and affects primarily the liver; it can be serious. Vitamin C and the B vitamins are hydrophilic, or soluble in water, and do not accumulate, they're excreted daily and are safe to take. They also have many important effects. The best strategy is to make sure you eat well; fresh foods from all the recommended food groups.
 
Thorn said:
I saw that too; it's about time. Vitamins A and D are lipophilic, or attracted to fat cells, and whatever isn't used will accumulate in the body. Vitamin A toxicity is pretty well described and affects primarily the liver; it can be serious. Vitamin C and the B vitamins are hydrophilic, or soluble in water, and do not accumulate, they're excreted daily and are safe to take. They also have many important effects. The best strategy is to make sure you eat well; fresh foods from all the recommended food groups.
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Really, vitamin D too? That's in my calcium pill that I have been trying to take ever since I broke my shoulder. I remember to take it about once every two or three days. You know what, the whole thing gets so confusing, and I think you are completely right in your conclusion. You have to eat fruits and vegetables.
 
Is there a multivitamin that has only vitamins that are safe to take daily? The study did mention that "stress vitamins" that had extra b and c vitamins lowered risk of heart attack (although I'm not really worried about that at my age so they wouldn't do me any good anyway).
 
Thorn said:
I saw that too; it's about time. Vitamins A and D are lipophilic, or attracted to fat cells, and whatever isn't used will accumulate in the body. Vitamin A toxicity is pretty well described and affects primarily the liver; it can be serious. Vitamin C and the B vitamins are hydrophilic, or soluble in water, and do not accumulate, they're excreted daily and are safe to take. They also have many important effects. The best strategy is to make sure you eat well; fresh foods from all the recommended food groups.
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Son of a !#$%!! I really need to take a look at some of this updated info... I am sorely misinformed. I eat well and have a great immune system, but I also take supplemental vitamins and dont want anything in my system that isn't good for me.... well, except for thin mints.... cause it is that time of year.
 
Darla said:
Really, vitamin D too? That's in my calcium pill that I have been trying to take ever since I broke my shoulder. I remember to take it about once every two or three days. You know what, the whole thing gets so confusing, and I think you are completely right in your conclusion. You have to eat fruits and vegetables.
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You should be fine with that. Vitamin D helps calcium absorption; so does Vitamin C. The amount in the pill is well below what would accumulate and become toxic. The problem is that too many people seem to think that if a little is good then a lot must be much better. That can lead to serious problems, no matter what you're talking about.
 
Superfreak said:
Son of a !#$%!! I really need to take a look at some of this updated info... I am sorely misinformed. I eat well and have a great immune system, but I also take supplemental vitamins and dont want anything in my system that isn't good for me.... well, except for thin mints.... cause it is that time of year.
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WM posted an article about it from Newsday. Here's the one I was talking about, in the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html?em
 
Thorn said:
You should be fine with that. Vitamin D helps calcium absorption; so does Vitamin C. The amount in the pill is well below what would accumulate and become toxic. The problem is that too many people seem to think that if a little is good then a lot must be much better. That can lead to serious problems, no matter what you're talking about.
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Okay, I get that. Thanks.
 
Thorn said:
You should be fine with that. Vitamin D helps calcium absorption; so does Vitamin C. The amount in the pill is well below what would accumulate and become toxic. The problem is that too many people seem to think that if a little is good then a lot must be much better. That can lead to serious problems, no matter what you're talking about.
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Like megadose b and c vitamins that do nothing but stress your kidney.
 
I also believe that most people have a deficiency of vitamin D (since we don't get enough sunlight). But any vitamin d suplement you can get usually has like 1000% daily dosage or something.
 
Thorn said:
You should be fine with that. Vitamin D helps calcium absorption; so does Vitamin C. The amount in the pill is well below what would accumulate and become toxic. The problem is that too many people seem to think that if a little is good then a lot must be much better. That can lead to serious problems, no matter what you're talking about.
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So multi-vitamins should be ok? Sorry to keep asking questions on this, but the above articles freaked me out a bit.
 
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