This Is the Most Wanted Car in America (and It’s Not Even Close).

You do a lot of talking without saying much. It's pretty obvious you're not here for cogent discussions.
You're just another troll infesting this forum.

Welcome to my IGNORE list. Adios mutherfukker.

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It is obvious that Commie would rather choose to plug his ears like a little child going, "I can't HEAR YOU! Nananana!".
Since both Commie and Norbutt believe in perpetual motion machines, and chant everything their masters say, they ignore science, logic, mathematics, and philosophy. They discard and deny the Constitution of the United States too.

And when confronted with theories of science or mathematics, they respond like a five-year old.
 
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This thread is still around, so I suppose that it's ok to respond again.

I still prefer the Bentley Flying Spur as my favorite currently produced car.

A bit out of my range, perhaps, but liking things is for free.

My favorite car of all time

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still a bit out of my price range 53 years later :(
 
900 miles on a charge? How Toyota's solid-state battery tech could revolutionize EVs

At a technical briefing in early July, Toyota announced that it has made a breakthrough in battery technology that will allow it to eventually create batteries that offer a whopping 745 miles of range on a single charge — and that it’s aiming to create a battery that would give an electric car 900 miles of range.

What is a solid-state battery?
The way a conventional battery works is quite simple. It has a cathode on one side and an anode on the other. Generally, batteries create a reaction by causing electrons to flow from one side to the other, which in turn creates a circuit and powers your device.
To date, EVs have used essentially the same kinds of batteries as those used in our phones, smartwatches, and so on. In these batteries, the cathode and anode live right next to each other, separated by a porous plastic membrane that allows the liquid electrolyte solution to flow from one side to another, generating current.
A solid-state battery keeps the fundamentals — it has an anode and a cathode, and it causes electrons to flow from one side to the other. But in a solid-state battery, the separator between the anode and the cathode is also the electrolyte.
The end result? A more energy-dense battery that allows manufacturers to fit more energy in smaller packages. Solid-state batteries are also much faster to charge — so you’ll spend less time waiting at electric car charging stations.

What does it mean for EVs?
If the tech truly does live up to its potential, it will be game-changing for electric cars. For Toyota, this means that it could produce cars that offer a range of up to 900 miles or more.
 
B]900 miles on a charge? How Toyota's solid-state battery tech could revolutionize EVs[/B]
Li-ion batteries are already solid state.
At a technical briefing in early July, Toyota announced that it has made a breakthrough in battery technology that will allow it to eventually create batteries that offer a whopping 745 miles of range on a single charge — and that it’s aiming to create a battery that would give an electric car 900 miles of range.
Li-ion still provides 3.49J per mole. It's doesn't change and hasn't changed since the 80s'. No marketing hype changes that. It cannot be changed. Again, you are ignoring chemistry.
The only way to increase range is to use more lithium (build a bigger battery).
B]What is a solid-state battery?[/B]
Almost any battery is solid state.
The way a conventional battery works is quite simple. It has a cathode on one side and an anode on the other. Generally, batteries create a reaction by causing electrons to flow from one side to the other, which in turn creates a circuit and powers your device.
ALL batteries do this.
To date, EVs have used essentially the same kinds of batteries as those used in our phones, smartwatches, and so on. In these batteries, the cathode and anode live right next to each other, separated by a porous plastic membrane that allows the liquid electrolyte solution to flow from one side to another, generating current.
There is no liquid electrolyte in a Li-ion batteries.
A solid-state battery keeps the fundamentals — it has an anode and a cathode, and it causes electrons to flow from one side to the other. But in a solid-state battery, the separator between the anode and the cathode is also the electrolyte.
There is no liquid electrolyte in Li-ion batteries.
B]The end result? A more energy-dense battery that allows manufacturers to fit more energy in smaller packages. Solid-state batteries are also much faster to charge — so you’ll spend less time waiting at electric car charging stations.[/B]
Lithium still has the same density per mole. That's chemistry, dude. That doesn't change.
B]What does it mean for EVs?[/B]
If the tech truly does live up to its potential, it will be game-changing for electric cars.
A 'game changer'?? They are Li-ion batteries!!!!
For Toyota, this means that it could produce cars that offer a range of up to 900 miles or more.
Only by building a bigger battery.

BTW, Toyota is getting out of the EV biz.
 
900 miles on a charge? How Toyota's solid-state battery tech could revolutionize EVs

At a technical briefing in early July, Toyota announced that it has made a breakthrough in battery technology that will allow it to eventually create batteries that offer a whopping 745 miles of range on a single charge — and that it’s aiming to create a battery that would give an electric car 900 miles of range.

What is a solid-state battery?
The way a conventional battery works is quite simple. It has a cathode on one side and an anode on the other. Generally, batteries create a reaction by causing electrons to flow from one side to the other, which in turn creates a circuit and powers your device.
To date, EVs have used essentially the same kinds of batteries as those used in our phones, smartwatches, and so on. In these batteries, the cathode and anode live right next to each other, separated by a porous plastic membrane that allows the liquid electrolyte solution to flow from one side to another, generating current.
A solid-state battery keeps the fundamentals — it has an anode and a cathode, and it causes electrons to flow from one side to the other. But in a solid-state battery, the separator between the anode and the cathode is also the electrolyte.
The end result? A more energy-dense battery that allows manufacturers to fit more energy in smaller packages. Solid-state batteries are also much faster to charge — so you’ll spend less time waiting at electric car charging stations.

What does it mean for EVs?
If the tech truly does live up to its potential, it will be game-changing for electric cars. For Toyota, this means that it could produce cars that offer a range of up to 900 miles or more.

All batteries have an anode and a cathode. All batteries use an electrolyte. The electrolyte doesn't "flow" anywhere. It is simply a medium to conduct the transfer of electrons from cathode to anode. In some batteries, usually rechargeable ones, a grid or membrane is used to prevent the flow of atoms from cathode to anode, or reverse. Without it, the cathode would lose material that plates out on the anode, and when recharged, this process reverses. In a one use battery like say a zinc-carbon one, this process is one-direction and cannot be reversed.

So, it appears that all Toyota has done is invent a variant of electrolyte that also acts as a membrane. Hardly a "game changer." Range would still be dependent on the total ampere hours in the battery and the discharge rate. That doesn't change here. You could build a 900 mile range car today by simply putting a larger battery in it. None of that alters the fundamental flaw with EV's. The fuel isn't portable, and it is low density energy.

So, if you had a current tech battery that weighed 1000 lbs. and gave say 250 miles range, and this new battery gave 250 miles but weighed 500 lbs. that is an improvement in weight but not an improvement in portability or anything else. It also isn't "revolutionary" if you chose to keep the battery weight at 1000 lbs. and increase range to 500 miles.

This isn't a "game changer" but rather simply evolutionary not revolutionary.
 
Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles
Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle.
Out of the 8.9 million barrels of gasoline consumed daily in the U.S. on average, only 1.8 million gallons, or approximately 20 percent, actually propel an internal combustion vehicle forward. The other 80 percent is wasted on heat and parasitic auxiliary components that draw away energy. As the world begins its shift to EV proliferation, the good news is electric vehicles are far more energy efficient on the road.

The vast majority of energy wasted in an ICE vehicle is through the heat the engine produces, which you can literally feel radiating from under the hood. About 5 percent is lost through parasitic engine components including the cooling system, which draws on the engine's own energy to help cool it down, about 4 percent is lost through the mechanical friction of the drivetrain and transmission components, and another 2 percent could be lost to auxiliary electrics like heated and powered seats, lights, and infotainment systems. In total, approximately 75 to 84 percent of the original gasoline's energy is lost.

Compare that to only 31-35 percent energy loss in the average electric vehicle (average EV battery size is about 63 kWh), before factoring in potential recuperation from energy regeneration. Its losses can be broken down into approximately 10 percent of the source energy from the grid lost in the charging process, 18 percent lost to the drivetrain motor components, up to 4 percent lost to auxiliary components, and another 3 percent lost solely from powertrain cooling and other vehicle systems.

MAGAs soil diapers.
 
Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles
Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle.
Out of the 8.9 million barrels of gasoline consumed daily in the U.S. on average, only 1.8 million gallons, or approximately 20 percent, actually propel an internal combustion vehicle forward. The other 80 percent is wasted on heat and parasitic auxiliary components that draw away energy. As the world begins its shift to EV proliferation, the good news is electric vehicles are far more energy efficient on the road.

The vast majority of energy wasted in an ICE vehicle is through the heat the engine produces, which you can literally feel radiating from under the hood. About 5 percent is lost through parasitic engine components including the cooling system, which draws on the engine's own energy to help cool it down, about 4 percent is lost through the mechanical friction of the drivetrain and transmission components, and another 2 percent could be lost to auxiliary electrics like heated and powered seats, lights, and infotainment systems. In total, approximately 75 to 84 percent of the original gasoline's energy is lost.

Compare that to only 31-35 percent energy loss in the average electric vehicle (average EV battery size is about 63 kWh), before factoring in potential recuperation from energy regeneration. Its losses can be broken down into approximately 10 percent of the source energy from the grid lost in the charging process, 18 percent lost to the drivetrain motor components, up to 4 percent lost to auxiliary components, and another 3 percent lost solely from powertrain cooling and other vehicle systems.

MAGAs soil diapers.

Without the idiot you voted for in office, gasoline should be less than $2.50/gal.. Most vehicles easily top 20 mph in the city, you do the math Joe wet panties.

BTW you friggin moron, without oil, there would be no such company called Tesla, or any other manufacturer of any kind.
 
They really don't have one now. What's going to happen is eventually the government subsidies will end, or they won't. Either way, that becomes the norm for the industry and the playing field levels. Norway is in that train wreck at the moment.

It is very likely that public transit will shift to smaller vehicles with AI running them and you can get one using your phone / device. The private vehicle will continue to exist as well, as will business vehicles. That will all depend on the individual and the business involved. If you live in a location where public transit isn't practical or profitable, you end up owning your own means instead.
Or, if your lifestyle requires a specific type of vehicle that public transit doesn't offer or only has limited availability, you again end up owning instead.

For instance, I still do side work and require a pickup truck for that. So, a public transit system that only offers a car is completely impractical for my needs at least some of the time. Even if a pickup were offered, I doubt I could tie one up for hours on end at a job site cheaper than just owning or leasing one full time. That doesn't change whether it's urban or rural for me.

Actually, no. Bad analogy. ICE vehicles held a plethora of very clear advantages over horses and wagons or whatever. That was clear almost from the start. No such advantage exists with EV's. The only solid argument for them, and even that one is somewhat dubious, is they emit zero pollution. Outside of that, they really possess no significant or revolutionary advantage over an ICE vehicle. Payload, speed, reliability, utility, energy use, nada, zip point shit significant difference.

With even early ICE vehicles, the advantage over the horse was clear. ICE vehicles could work for indefinite periods of time versus horses. They could be repaired and serviced in a fraction of the time and cost a horse could. They could produce massive amounts more work than a horse or horses could. They were faster and even early on, more reliable than a horse.

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Could be replaced by this

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more lies.

It was only once massive investment in roads were made and big technological advancements that ICE became a real contender for mass adoption.


The Long & Winding Road – The Transition from the Horse & Buggy to the Automobile


...The first mechanized modes of personal transportation began appearing on America’s roads in the late 1890’s. The earliest motorcycles were not much more than motorized bicycles, and the first automobiles were powered by a variety of methods ranging from steam to electric to gasoline. Most early builders were located in small shops that produced only a handful of vehicles that were engineered and designed by the men who built them. Some of the earliest models changed with each subsequent build as the makers experimented with different engines, gearing, suspensions, steering, and brakes.

By the turn of the century, there were hundreds of different brands being built throughout America. Very few would survive more than a few years at best. Building an automobile that could withstand the rigors of traversing a patchwork of cart paths originally meant for horse and ox drawn wagons was much more challenging than most entrepreneurs with dreams of speed and utility could handle....


...The early internal combustion engine presented major challenges to those wishing to use it as their source of power. The first gasoline engines were small with limited amounts of power that required a geared transmission that would allow the engine to build enough momentum and torque to move an automobile loaded with passengers.

Gasoline engines were also difficult to start. They needed to be cranked by hand to turn the crankshaft enough to compress a mixture of air and fuel to the point where it would explode when the magneto provided each cylinder with its “spark” at just the right moment. Just starting the engine required moving the spark lever to advance or delay the timing of the firing of the spark plugs, ensuring that the engine would start and then run smoothly. If the fuel & air mixture wasn’t adjusted to the proper level and the spark timing set just right, the cranking motion could suddenly be reversed if the engine backfired – causing many drivers to experience broken thumbs, wrists or even arms. In addition, depending on driving conditions, adjustments of the timing were often necessary throughout the drive. It wasn’t until 1911 that electric starters began appearing on some of the more expensive automobiles, but by 1914, those starters were available on just about every model made in America....



...Another major drawback to the gasoline engine was the lack of infrastructure for supplying the fuel it needed to operate. While it could go many miles on a tank of fuel, when that fuel ran low, it needed to be refilled. It would take a number of years before enough places began pumping and selling gasoline to make automobiles with internal combustion engines a viable commodity....

Get A Horse! America’s Skepticism Toward the First Automobiles
The inventor who claimed the first U.S. car ever sold recalls the birth of the industry and the general public skepticism about automobiles
 
All batteries have an anode and a cathode. All batteries use an electrolyte. The electrolyte doesn't "flow" anywhere. It is simply a medium to conduct the transfer of electrons from cathode to anode. In some batteries, usually rechargeable ones, a grid or membrane is used to prevent the flow of atoms from cathode to anode, or reverse. Without it, the cathode would lose material that plates out on the anode, and when recharged, this process reverses. In a one use battery like say a zinc-carbon one, this process is one-direction and cannot be reversed.

So, it appears that all Toyota has done is invent a variant of electrolyte that also acts as a membrane. Hardly a "game changer." Range would still be dependent on the total ampere hours in the battery and the discharge rate. That doesn't change here. You could build a 900 mile range car today by simply putting a larger battery in it. None of that alters the fundamental flaw with EV's. The fuel isn't portable, and it is low density energy.

So, if you had a current tech battery that weighed 1000 lbs. and gave say 250 miles range, and this new battery gave 250 miles but weighed 500 lbs. that is an improvement in weight but not an improvement in portability or anything else. It also isn't "revolutionary" if you chose to keep the battery weight at 1000 lbs. and increase range to 500 miles.

This isn't a "game changer" but rather simply evolutionary not revolutionary.

And yet this was the advancement being chased, with huge amounts of capital from automakers and Private equity that so many were theorizing was a wish casting hope that would never be developed into a commercial product. For years skeptics in the science field were doubting Toyota or anyone would achieve what they did but Terry hand waves it away saying 'no big deal'.



https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/2...tteries-will-soon-crack-gasmobile-death-grip/
A hot market is growing for solid-state batteries that function efficiently at room temperature, as demonstrated by a new $200 million round of Series D funding for the US energy storage startup Factorial Energy.

...Solid-state technology has been spinning its wheels since first identified in the early 19th century. Now, with the advent of modern materials science and high tech analytical tools, it finally has a chance to break free.


 
They really don't have one now. What's going to happen is eventually the government subsidies will end, or they won't. Either way, that becomes the norm for the industry and the playing field levels. Norway is in that train wreck at the moment.

It is very likely that public transit will shift to smaller vehicles with AI running them and you can get one using your phone / device. The private vehicle will continue to exist as well, as will business vehicles. That will all depend on the individual and the business involved. If you live in a location where public transit isn't practical or profitable, you end up owning your own means instead.
Or, if your lifestyle requires a specific type of vehicle that public transit doesn't offer or only has limited availability, you again end up owning instead.

For instance, I still do side work and require a pickup truck for that. So, a public transit system that only offers a car is completely impractical for my needs at least some of the time. Even if a pickup were offered, I doubt I could tie one up for hours on end at a job site cheaper than just owning or leasing one full time. That doesn't change whether it's urban or rural for me.

If there is no monopoly, the standard capitalism rules will apply.

Understood about "public transit". What I'm talking about is AI Uber-like cars even in small towns or nearby areas. Sure business or isolated location would need to own their vehicles, but the idea of "a car in every garage" will fade away as an unnecessary expense. There's no reason that trucks or vehicles with trailers couldn't be rented too. If you need a large truck daily, then private ownership may be a better option. Overall though, most people will turn their garages into dens, playrooms, guest rooms or some other use of the space than to keep a vehicle.

There are already car share companies out their in the bigger cities, where they have fleets of vehicle any member can use , parked all over the city. Pick up trucks, cube vans, regular sedans, SUV's, etc, etc. Use the APP find the nearest one to you. Reserve and go. Book for an hour or a day or 3 days.

And with regards to subsidies, i don't see EV subsidies ending any tie soon given that ICE subsidies and Oil and Gas subsidies have been going on for probably 100 years now, with no sign in sight to end them.

Terry will only complain about EV subsidies while trying to label the massive subsidies going to ICE and O&G as anything but a subsidy. But if the ICE companies and O&G did not get that gov't cheddar all the time from citizen taxes the price of cars and gasoline would be higher. It does not matter where in the chain you save them money or give them to save them costs, that is a subsidy that impacts the selling price, downstream. Even if Terry wants to pretend only EV's get them.
 
There are already car share companies out their in the bigger cities, where they have fleets of vehicle any member can use , parked all over the city. Pick up trucks, cube vans, regular sedans, SUV's, etc, etc. Use the APP find the nearest one to you. Reserve and go. Book for an hour or a day or 3 days.

And with regards to subsidies, i don't see EV subsidies ending any tie soon given that ICE subsidies and Oil and Gas subsidies have been going on for probably 100 years now, with no sign in sight to end them.

Terry will only complain about EV subsidies while trying to label the massive subsidies going to ICE and O&G as anything but a subsidy. But if the ICE companies and O&G did not get that gov't cheddar all the time from citizen taxes the price of cars and gasoline would be higher. It does not matter where in the chain you save them money or give them to save them costs, that is a subsidy that impacts the selling price, downstream. Even if Terry wants to pretend only EV's get them.

Better to start removing subsidies all together. Yes, I know it's a job incentive to keep up employment, but I'd rather spend the money on education and the let the 21st century tech corporations compete with each other for employees. Most countries have people who are able to weave baskets or other 19th century tech job.

Terry is a conspiracy theorist who has swallowed the Republican finger-pointing hook, line and sinker. Notice he's against the First Amendment right of free speech and freedom of assembly by being pro-corporation and anti-union.
 
Ya i just like calling Terry and other derps out on their constant stream of BS.

Are EVs being subsidized. YEs. Is it a fraction of the money that has gone to ICE and O&G subsidies, past and present? No. Not even in the same ballpark.

And yet they cry 'unfair' as they focus only on EV subsidies.

Market may have moved naturally to EV's decades ago if not for a constant stream of ICE subsidies and bailouts and O&G subsidies. So much taxpayer money flowing into those markets distorted the competitive playing field.
 
Without the idiot you voted for in office, gasoline should be less than $2.50/gal.. Most vehicles easily top 20 mph in the city, you do the math Joe wet panties.

BTW you friggin moron, without oil, there would be no such company called Tesla, or any other manufacturer of any kind.

Of course, there would be. The pollution mobiles you love are poisoning the planet.
Gas prices are controlled by energy companies and speculators. OPEC is a huge factor. You make statements bout gas prices that simply cannot be defended.
 
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