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This Is the Most Wanted Car in America (and It’s Not Even Close).
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Dutch Uncle
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While I understand the reasoning behind the law, I'm not sure the Texas courts will agree.
T. A. Gardner
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So, highest insurance rates, and now a replacement for the gas tax EV owner's don't pay...
That tax is being talked about in every state. Road tax in some states is based on weight. EV owners are in for a new opportunity to contribute to the public good.
Dutch Uncle
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Anything new and/or high dollar is going to cost higher insurance. A $50K car is more expensive to insure than a $20K car for what should seem obvious reasons. New tech presents unknown future problems. "The unknown" costs more.
The road tax thing is interesting since it's the heavier cars which should pay higher taxes. Same for engine size. I think this gas tax applied to E-cars will certainly change. It points out a problem with "Sin Taxes". Sounds great to fund schools or hospitals on cigarette tax...until most people quit smoking, then it becomes a funding issue as we're seeing with gasoline tax. User fees across the board should be raised and shift away from gas tax...which, like cigarettes, is a bad habit that needs to be broken.
Do either of you still smoke? I smoked for 32 years and quit at 50...after two major attempts. LOL
T. A. Gardner
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Teslas cost more than average for their price.
Tesla car insurance costs are a little higher that many other car makes. A full coverage policy on a 2021 Model 3 Tesla costs $2,503 a year on average, well above the national average of $1,682 for full coverage. So, why is Tesla insurance so high?
https://www.insurance.com/auto-insu...e,in 11 states and continues to expand access.
The Reason Why Tesla Insurance Is So Expensive
Tesla is the most expensive car brand to insure after Maserati, as calculated by Consumer Reports.
https://www.slashgear.com/1017785/the-reason-why-tesla-insurance-is-so-expensive/
The big reason for the high insurance cost is that if you get in an accident with your Tesla it is very likely going to be totaled, not repaired. This is due to the way they are designed and assembled along with having very expensive and often hard to get repair parts.
Dutch Uncle
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Remember when big screen TVs were $10,000? Now they're on sale at Walmart for $350. My advice? Let the rich people buy them first until mass production brings prices down. Fixing "the unknown" will bring down the price of insurance two. FWIW, I doubt I'll ever own an electric car but I think my wife and I will be riding an electric bus to Wally-World in about 15 years from our retirement community.
You still smoke, don'tcha, Terry? LOL What are packs nowadays? $7? $10? How many do you smoke a day?
IBDaMann
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EVs don't save on gas. EV's are far less fuel efficient than directly putting the fuel in the combustion engine and converting the chemical energy directly to kinetic energy. I realize that your excuse is that you are no scientist, and in fact you are totally scientifically illiterate and mathematically incompetent, but you have had enough time to read up on thermodynamics to know that what you posted is thoroughly stupid.
The only government vehicles that should be EV are those that support the main fleet of combustion engines, or where acceleration is the primary requirement.
T. A. Gardner
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That's not the problem here. Tesla has set things up so you have to go through them for everything. They have fought every attempt to make them comply with "Right to Repair" laws. That is singular among car manufacturers.
Tesla fights new ‘Right to Repair’ initiative over cybersecurity concerns
https://electrek.co/2020/10/14/tesla-fights-right-to-repair-initiative-over-cybersecurity-concerns/
Newly Passed Right-to-Repair Law Will Fundamentally Change Tesla Repair
Tesla managed to avoid earlier right-to-repair legislation through a loophole. This time, a new law looks like it’ll include Teslas, too.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/93w...ir-law-will-fundamentally-change-tesla-repair
Tesla hit with 'right to repair' antitrust class actions
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/03/15/tesla-right-to-repair-class-action-lawsuits/
Dutch Uncle
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How long do you really believe Tesla will have a monopoly on E-cars?
Remember the "Great Manure Crisis of 1894"? It was solved by the automobile. In this case, combined with AI piloting cars, people in 20-30 years won't need to own cars; they'll just order one with their smart phone like an Uber or Lyft. It'll be cities first. No more looking for parking. LOL
Compare the cost of your own car, maintenance, fuel, insurance, etc and how much it's actually used? At what point would it be cheaper to rent?
Dutch Uncle
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T. A. Gardner
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They really don't have one now. What's going to happen is eventually the government subsidies will end, or they won't. Either way, that becomes the norm for the industry and the playing field levels. Norway is in that train wreck at the moment.
It is very likely that public transit will shift to smaller vehicles with AI running them and you can get one using your phone / device. The private vehicle will continue to exist as well, as will business vehicles. That will all depend on the individual and the business involved. If you live in a location where public transit isn't practical or profitable, you end up owning your own means instead.
Or, if your lifestyle requires a specific type of vehicle that public transit doesn't offer or only has limited availability, you again end up owning instead.
For instance, I still do side work and require a pickup truck for that. So, a public transit system that only offers a car is completely impractical for my needs at least some of the time. Even if a pickup were offered, I doubt I could tie one up for hours on end at a job site cheaper than just owning or leasing one full time. That doesn't change whether it's urban or rural for me.
Dutch Uncle
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If there is no monopoly, the standard capitalism rules will apply.
Understood about "public transit". What I'm talking about is AI Uber-like cars even in small towns or nearby areas. Sure business or isolated location would need to own their vehicles, but the idea of "a car in every garage" will fade away as an unnecessary expense. There's no reason that trucks or vehicles with trailers couldn't be rented too. If you need a large truck daily, then private ownership may be a better option. Overall though, most people will turn their garages into dens, playrooms, guest rooms or some other use of the space than to keep a vehicle.
Joe Capitalist
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EVs don't save on gas. EV's are far less fuel efficient than directly putting the fuel in the combustion engine and converting the chemical energy directly to kinetic energy. I realize that your excuse is that you are no scientist, and in fact you are totally scientifically illiterate and mathematically incompetent, but you have had enough time to read up on thermodynamics to know that what you posted is thoroughly stupid.
The only government vehicles that should be EV are those that support the main fleet of combustion engines, or where acceleration is the primary requirement.
Not true, Einstein.
EVs are much more efficient than ICE cars. The energy goes straight from the battery to the motor. There is no conversion, no explosions of the gas inside the cylinders (which create enormous heat that must be dissipated).
EVs convert over 77% of the electrical energy from the grid to power at the wheels. Conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 12%–30% of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels.
An EV directly converts electricity into movement. This makes it far more efficient than a conventional car, which has to burn fuel (creating heat) and then convert that heat into motion.
An EV is more than 70% efficient from the moment you turn it on. Even the best diesel engine, fully warmed up, struggles to get to 40% efficiency. In other words, a conventional ICE car wastes well over half the energy in its fuel.
Read this and educate yourself: https://www.edfenergy.com/energywise/why-EVs-are-efficient
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ExpressLane
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And that power from the grid just magically appears. 60% of electricity comes from fossil fuels.
ExpressLane
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A coal fired plant is only 33% efficient at best. A simple cycle gas fired power plant is 33-40% efficient at best.And that power from the grid just magically appears.60% of electricity comes from fossil fuels.
T. A. Gardner
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Actually, you are wrong. Solar converts only about 15 to 20% of the sun's energy that reaches the panels into electricity. A big nuclear plant is about 40% efficient. Gas turbine and steam plants are about 25 to 30% efficient. Then you have to consider line loss transmitting the electricity from the plant to the charging station where you lose about 10%, depending on distance.
So, while the battery itself in the car and motor are more efficient, the electricity source is no more efficient than an ICE vehicle's engine.
This is the fail of EV batteries:
The example at 10 minutes into the video is instructive too. Again, the only way around that scenario is for idiots, retards, and morons in government to ban alternatives to EV's.
EV's suck, just like wind and solar, and that's all there is to it. The Left are science and engineering deniers, but that should be expected as they have NO background in science and engineering.
Dutch Uncle
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All technical issues. No doubt the Horse-and-Buggy crowd (especially those who had a lot of stock in Buggy Whips) made similar arguments about the automobile.
Into the Night
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Heh. Apparently you are unaware of the failure of such automated taxis in San Francisco.