This Is the Most Wanted Car in America (and It’s Not Even Close).

QP! said:
NO.

The cars require less maintenance.
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Baldfaced lie.

Maintenance is done by city shops, using mechanics hired for the purpose. Those shops are not equipped with the special facilities required to maintain an EV. Only the dealer has that, and that maintenance ain't cheap!
QP! said:
Do not need to be rotated in and out to fuel
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Cars are not 'rotated in and out to fuel' anyway. Vacuous fallacy.
QP! said:
and maintenance is cheaper.
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NO IT ISN'T. The city maintenance shop cannot maintain them at all, other than to change a tire. ALL other maintenance MUST be taken to specially equipped shops that ARE NOT CHEAP.
QP! said:
They are worth happening and more practical for the vast majority of government workers, including most police.
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No, they aren't. Practicality is NOT even in the interest of any government agency. You can't use that line!
 
Lionfish said:
It's Too Hot For EVs To Work Right

"The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles to lose nearly a third of their range."

Joey wets panties
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Warmer temperatures mean the chemistry can run more effectively in the battery. Excessive temperatures can cause damage to the battery, and EV batteries are liquid cooled. It's pretty effective. The motors are also liquid cooled in most EVs.
Range is reduced because HVAC on an EV also runs from the same battery. Higher temperatures mean the compressor is running more, consuming power otherwise available to move the car...thus reducing range.

...or they could do the old VW Bug method of cooling the cabin...open the windows and drive fast.
Oh...right...that consumes power too. Extra parasitic drag on the vehicle, you know.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I think that varies far more greatly than you give it credit for. Western US cities are far more spread out than ones on the east coast. But even if it were 100 miles per shift, and the battery at near half charge, it would have to be recharged for the next shift or there is a risk the vehicle might run out of charge during the second shift.
Then there are departments that assign officers their vehicles 24 hours a day and the officers take them home. That would require the department install home charging stations for such vehicles at officer's homes since they, not the officer would be paying for the electricity.
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Quite true that. Guess that would mean more business for you to install the double metering! :D
 
Into the Night said:
Good news for the crooks.

MAGA isn't a person nor a moron, commie.
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Milquetoast's multi-parsed posts are an eyesore.

The only reason that they're tolerated is because the mods dislike me,
know that the posts annoy me,
and are willing to be annoyed themselves as long as I'm being annoyed as well.

They would have canned this freak's account a long time ago if this weren't the case.
They are not embarrassed to have this cretinous troglodyte all over their forum,
like a multitude of feces stains,
as long as it annoys me.

I don't know what I did to become this important.
They dislike me,
nonetheless don't want to delete my account because of the effect that would have on the forum's collective IQ,
and are thus willing to themselves put up with Milquetoast's stomach turning posts, just to piss me off.


I shouldn't bother you as much as I seem to do, mods.
You should celebrate my presence, not begrudge it,
and you should clear out the riff raff
so as to make the forum
more worthy of my participation.

Would you really prefer to put up with the macaw-boys crap than clean up the place?

How the fuck is that possible? Seriously.
 
Into the Night said:
Warmer temperatures mean the chemistry can run more effectively in the battery. Excessive temperatures can cause damage to the battery, and EV batteries are liquid cooled. It's pretty effective. The motors are also liquid cooled in most EVs.
Range is reduced because HVAC on an EV also runs from the same battery. Higher temperatures mean the compressor is running more, consuming power otherwise available to move the car...thus reducing range.

...or they could do the old VW Bug method of cooling the cabin...open the windows and drive fast.
Oh...right...that consumes power too. Extra parasitic drag on the vehicle, you know.
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Without going into detail, my son is a very high ranking executive in a business that is directly tied to the automotive industry. He has the benefit of driving a company vehicle. He called me for my input and as this was to be a third vehicle and there was no limit to the cost. I suggested that he might try an EV just to transport himself back and forth to work. He chose a Mercedes EQE 500. After a good eight months, this is his least favorite car. At Texas summer temps on charging, he loses a full 30% of range and last winter he asked me why during the Texas winter, he was losing 20% when the temp dropped to 40°.
He has concluded that his vehicle is suitable for temps in the 60° range to get an optimal range of 280 miles per charge, and then only if you monitor what accessories you are using.

He will be replacing this vehicle with his old love, an Audi A8.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Perhaps every American should have at least two motorcars,

a gasoline powered one for extended trips and an electric one for local driving.

It doesn't appear that the electrics are sufficiently convenient for the former.
Taking hours to fully charge, if that is indeed the case, is certainly not tolerable.
Even 30 minutes is not tolerable.

If ICE cars were used only for extended trips requiring an on-road refueling,
emissions would still be significantly reduced in the major metropolitan cultural centers.
Out in the boonies, the shitkickers don't appear to be concerned with air quality.
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That is where the hybrids come in. Gas/Electric for those who may not be able to get a timely recharge.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Milquetoast's multi-parsed posts are an eyesore.

The only reason that they're tolerated is because the mods dislike me,
know that the posts annoy me,
and are willing to be annoyed themselves as long as I'm being annoyed as well.

They would have canned this freak's account a long time ago if this weren't the case.
They are not embarrassed to have this cretinous troglodyte all over their forum,
like a multitude of feces stains,
as long as it annoys me.

I don't know what I did to become this important.
They dislike me,
nonetheless don't want to delete my account because of the effect that would have on the forum's collective IQ,
and are thus willing to themselves put up with Milquetoast's stomach turning posts, just to piss me off.


I shouldn't bother you as much as I seem to do, mods.
You should celebrate my presence, not begrudge it,
and you should clear out the riff raff
so as to make the forum
more worthy of my participation.

Would you really prefer to put up with the macaw-boys crap than clean up the place?

How the fuck is that possible? Seriously.
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Cogent, precise, entertaining. You're one of my favorite posters on JPP.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Again, a non-necessity unless you are obsessed with Gorebal Warming...
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Why obsessed? Global warming is real. In the 1980s a letter sent between energy companies showed their scientists had no doubt that it was real and their business was a huge part of the problem. In the letter, they said the way to fight it was to make people doubt the climate scientists. So they set about doing exactly that. For 50 years they have been lying about climate change so their profits would grow. They lied about the science and ridiculed scientists trying to make people believe they were wrong. Now we know that SOME people can be convinced by lying authority figures. You are one of them.
What they are doing is what cigarette companies did when they said cigs were nonaddictive and smoking was safe. You probably believe that too. You are a Trumpy, a global warming denier, an anti-EV cars, and just an all-round sucker for right-wing conspiracies.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding
 
Nordberg said:
Why obsessed? Global warming is real. In the 1980s a letter sent between energy companies showed their scientists had no doubt that it was real and their business was a huge part of the problem. In the letter, they said the way to fight it was to make people doubt the climate scientists. So they set about doing exactly that. For 50 years they have been lying about climate change so their profits would grow. They lied about the science and ridiculed scientists trying to make people believe they were wrong. Now we know that SOME people can be convinced by lying authority figures. You are one of them.
What they are doing is what cigarette companies did when they said cigs were nonaddictive and smoking was safe. You probably believe that too. You are a Trumpy, a global warming denier, an anti-EV cars, and just an all-round sucker for right-wing conspiracies.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding
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I think the so-called "Climate scientists" are more like the ones the tobacco companies hired to prove smoking was safe. They have a massive, almost total, track record of being wrong on their predictions. These same retards told us that we had to get rid of CFC's to fix a hole in the ozone layer. We did and the hole is still there, even though they predicted it should be gone. Worse, now they've found a bigger hole over the S. Atlantic they didn't even know fucking existed 20 years ago... They ignore contrails even as many of them say these could be attributed to as much as 20% of human caused climate change.

What I see are a bunch of "scientists" who are all about funding and more funding not science. CO2 gets funding, so they study CO2. If they got paid to study tobacco and find it safe, they'd study tobacco and find it safe.

It's gullible idiots like you that are being played for fools.
 
QP! said:
Tell that to Big Oil and other industries contirbuting massively to climate change who are increasingly turning to goverment to ask for Tax payer money to protect their assets from the impact.




PRIVATIZE THE PROFITS... SOCIALIZE THE COSTS!

That is MAGA-CAPATALISM in action.
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Governments are their problem, not the market... Idiot politicians, particularly Leftists, but then again I repeat myself there, are forcing the Greentard agenda down our throats. These are stupid fucks that can't even spell octane, let alone tell you what one is...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Governments are their problem, not the market... Idiot politicians, particularly Leftists, but then again I repeat myself there, are forcing the Greentard agenda down our throats. These are stupid fucks that can't even spell octane, let alone tell you what one is...
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No the "problem" are citizens like you.

The ones Trump and the right recognize from a mile away that they can manipulate and take advantage of by feeding you lies and culture wars while they loot the citizen treasury and their pocket books.

As Trump said, as long as people like you are around he (they) can get away with anything, even murder.

So when you find out the same Oil and Gas companies knew of the danger of global warming but knew they could dupe you, so they could make more profits, ...you are ok with it. When they say 'give us tax payer money to protect our profits' ...you are ok with it.

When Trump commits crimes to protect himself but tells you he is "doing it for you"... you are ok with it.

Republicans realized that about 40% of the populace were hopelessly stupid and most of them were republi'cans' (about 30%) and if you can control 30% tightly you can control a lot of power.
 
QP! said:
No the "problem" are citizens like you.

The ones Trump and the right recognize from a mile away that they can manipulate and take advantage of by feeding you lies and culture wars while they loot the citizen treasury and their pocket books.

As Trump said, as long as people like you are around he (they) can get away with anything, even murder.

So when you find out the same Oil and Gas companies knew of the danger of global warming but knew they could dupe you, so they could make more profits, ...you are ok with it. When they say 'give us tax payer money to protect our profits' ...you are ok with it.

When Trump commits crimes to protect himself but tells you he is "doing it for you"... you are ok with it.

Republicans realized that about 40% of the populace were hopelessly stupid and most of them were republi'cans' (about 30%) and if you can control 30% tightly you can control a lot of power.
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You should seek professional help for your TDS. Everything isn't about Trump.
 
QP! said:
No the "problem" are citizens like you.

The ones Trump and the right recognize from a mile away that they can manipulate and take advantage of by feeding you lies and culture wars while they loot the citizen treasury and their pocket books.

As Trump said, as long as people like you are around he (they) can get away with anything, even murder.

So when you find out the same Oil and Gas companies knew of the danger of global warming but knew they could dupe you, so they could make more profits, ...you are ok with it. When they say 'give us tax payer money to protect our profits' ...you are ok with it.

When Trump commits crimes to protect himself but tells you he is "doing it for you"... you are ok with it.

Republicans realized that about 40% of the populace were hopelessly stupid and most of them were republi'cans' (about 30%) and if you can control 30% tightly you can control a lot of power.
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Why is the frost/freeze line moving south?
 
TOYOTA IS PLANNING A NEW EV WITH A 900-MILE RANGE AND 10-MINUTE CHARGING TIME: ‘THE HOLY GRAIL OF BATTERY VEHICLES’
“If it is a genuine breakthrough, it could be a game changer.”
by Tina Deines*/*July 22, 2023

https://apple.news/A_P3P8UrqTWu2LQ3HyVgVAg

Toyota just unveiled plans for new electric vehicle battery technology that could offer up to 900 miles of driving range, and many are calling it a potential game-changer.
At a recent briefing, the company announced big news about new solid-state EV battery tech. Saying it simplified production of the material used to make solid-state batteries, the company plans to roll out a model by 2025 that will extend cruising range by 20%.
A higher-performance version is still under research and development but has the potential to deliver 50% more cruising range — over 900 miles, according to Toyota. That could get you from New York to Chicago and then some, and charge time would be just 10 minutes.
Toyota had already made recent headlines by announcing it would have EVs with solid-state batteries on the market within the next few years.
Solid-state batteries (as opposed to lithium-ion batteries, which use a liquid electrolyte) are regarded as a potential turning point for EVs. They have the power to reduce charging times, increase capacity, and reduce fire risk.
The company will also offer two next-gen battery types in 2026 and 2027 — referred to as “performance” and “popularized.”*
The performance version will use the same battery chemistry as the bZ4X SUV but will offer 20% more driving range. Plus, it will cost 20% less. The popularized version will have the same gains in driving range but at a 40% cost reduction.
While solid-state batteries have been around for a while, there have been problems scaling up production to put them in mainstream EVs, the Guardian reports. Many companies have been working on the problem, including Porsche. One startup has even developed a way to 3D-print these batteries in different shapes and sizes.
However, according to the Guardian, Toyota claims it has made a breakthrough in solid-state battery manufacturing that will actually make this product easier to produce than lithium batteries.
Toyota’s innovations in solid-state batteries are big news for the company and the planet. The new technology will save both time and money for consumers in the form of lower prices and less time at charging stations. Greater range will help absolve range anxiety for potential customers interested in EVs, making these cars more suitable for cross-country travel while charging infrastructure catches up.*
This is great news for the planet as well. EVs contribute far fewer planet-warming gases to the atmosphere than traditional cars.
David Bailey, professor of business economics at the University of Birmingham, said this could be a pivotal moment in the development of electric cars — if Toyota can pull it off.
“Often there are breakthroughs at the prototype stage but then scaling it up is difficult,” he told the Guardian. “If it is a genuine breakthrough it could be a game-changer, very much the holy grail of battery vehicles.”
 
Joe Capitalist said:
TOYOTA IS PLANNING A NEW EV WITH A 900-MILE RANGE AND 10-MINUTE CHARGING TIME: ‘THE HOLY GRAIL OF BATTERY VEHICLES’
“If it is a genuine breakthrough, it could be a game changer.”
by Tina Deines*/*July 22, 2023

https://apple.news/A_P3P8UrqTWu2LQ3HyVgVAg

Toyota just unveiled plans for new electric vehicle battery technology that could offer up to 900 miles of driving range, and many are calling it a potential game-changer.
At a recent briefing, the company announced big news about new solid-state EV battery tech. Saying it simplified production of the material used to make solid-state batteries, the company plans to roll out a model by 2025 that will extend cruising range by 20%.
A higher-performance version is still under research and development but has the potential to deliver 50% more cruising range — over 900 miles, according to Toyota. That could get you from New York to Chicago and then some, and charge time would be just 10 minutes.
Toyota had already made recent headlines by announcing it would have EVs with solid-state batteries on the market within the next few years.
Solid-state batteries (as opposed to lithium-ion batteries, which use a liquid electrolyte) are regarded as a potential turning point for EVs. They have the power to reduce charging times, increase capacity, and reduce fire risk.
The company will also offer two next-gen battery types in 2026 and 2027 — referred to as “performance” and “popularized.”*
The performance version will use the same battery chemistry as the bZ4X SUV but will offer 20% more driving range. Plus, it will cost 20% less. The popularized version will have the same gains in driving range but at a 40% cost reduction.
While solid-state batteries have been around for a while, there have been problems scaling up production to put them in mainstream EVs, the Guardian reports. Many companies have been working on the problem, including Porsche. One startup has even developed a way to 3D-print these batteries in different shapes and sizes.
However, according to the Guardian, Toyota claims it has made a breakthrough in solid-state battery manufacturing that will actually make this product easier to produce than lithium batteries.
Toyota’s innovations in solid-state batteries are big news for the company and the planet. The new technology will save both time and money for consumers in the form of lower prices and less time at charging stations. Greater range will help absolve range anxiety for potential customers interested in EVs, making these cars more suitable for cross-country travel while charging infrastructure catches up.*
This is great news for the planet as well. EVs contribute far fewer planet-warming gases to the atmosphere than traditional cars.
David Bailey, professor of business economics at the University of Birmingham, said this could be a pivotal moment in the development of electric cars — if Toyota can pull it off.
“Often there are breakthroughs at the prototype stage but then scaling it up is difficult,” he told the Guardian. “If it is a genuine breakthrough it could be a game-changer, very much the holy grail of battery vehicles.”
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I'm planning a Fusion Car IF it works it COULD be a game changer.
 
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