This Is the Most Wanted Car in America (and It’s Not Even Close).

[QP!]

They might, but they can't be refilled in 10 minutes or less so there is no possibility of a quick turnaround for a second shift. That means a department would need three cars for three shifts versus potentially just one that is used for all three and refueled after each. This would mean the department is paying for three vehicles versus one a cost increase of well over $100,000 per officer per shift.

You make the mistake of believing all cars come in and go out at the exact same time on shift end and beginning which is not the case.

It is very easier as cars stagger in at different times before shift end and then officers head out at different times to match them up to the cars already charged. There is a literal APP for that.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You make the mistake of believing all cars come in and go out at the exact same time on shift end and beginning which is not the case.

It is very easier as cars stagger in at different times before shift end and then officers head out at different times to match them up to the cars already charged. There is a literal APP for that.

That's not how police departments work. They have shift turnovers where the oncoming shift gets a briefing before going on duty, and the off going shift has a debrief to submit paperwork, etc. There is also an issue of the off going and oncoming shifts having to leave their posts, patrol routes and get out to those same routes.

That an EV would take say 30 minutes to charge up is a big roadblock to using them for multiple shifts.

It also won't work for departments like highway patrols. Often their vehicles are out in the middle of nowhere for hours on end. They often have to drive them at very high speeds, long distances. There's a serious accident or other issue 50 miles from the officer's location and he responds at 100+ mph. That is going to put a big drain on the battery.

 

[QP!]

That's not how police departments work. They have shift turnovers where the oncoming shift gets a briefing before going on duty, and the off going shift has a debrief to submit paperwork, etc. There is also an issue of the off going and oncoming shifts having to leave their posts, patrol routes and get out to those same routes.

That an EV would take say 30 minutes to charge up is a big roadblock to using them for multiple shifts.

That you think every officer coming back for 'end of shift' all arrive at the stations at the same time, tells me you know nothing about this topic.


Officers roll in at all different times to do necessary end of shift paper work, hang around and shoot the sit with fellow officers before going home. And then depending on the departments and duties there will be briefings and instructions for the outbound officers that will take different amounts of time. Some will be quick and out almost right away and others more slow.

30 minutes for the bulk of the EV's would be no issue, with the later leaving officers getting the later arriving cars.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

That you think every officer coming back for 'end of shift' all arrive at the stations at the same time, tells me you know nothing about this topic.


Officers roll in at all different times to do necessary end of shift paper work, hang around and shoot the sit with fellow officers before going home. And then depending on the departments and duties there will be briefings and instructions for the outbound officers that will take different amounts of time. Some will be quick and out almost right away and others more slow.

30 minutes for the bulk of the EV's would be no issue, with the later leaving officers getting the later arriving cars.

Funny. The EV revolution butthurts terry so much, now he's making shit up about police departments for his EV debates.

Kudos for tearing him a new one.

 

[QP!]

Funny. The EV revolution butthurts terry so much, now he's making shit up about police departments for his EV debates.

Kudos for tearing him a new one.

I don't care that he shows himself to be anti 'technology progress' of all kinds. I do care that he makes shit up to try and support his BS.

One of the bigger issues they are trying to solve in policing is the 'reporting burden' police officers have to document their shift work and debrief to superiors, where needed. It is typically said that can eat up ~3 hours of the officers shift, from start to end, with the bulk of it at shifts end. They are increasingly using voice recordings and voice to text, so officers can begin the process while driving in the car, but still, 30 minutes at the end of shift, for EV's to recharge would not be an issue at all.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That you think every officer coming back for 'end of shift' all arrive at the stations at the same time, tells me you know nothing about this topic.


Officers roll in at all different times to do necessary end of shift paper work, hang around and shoot the sit with fellow officers before going home. And then depending on the departments and duties there will be briefings and instructions for the outbound officers that will take different amounts of time. Some will be quick and out almost right away and others more slow.

30 minutes for the bulk of the EV's would be no issue, with the later leaving officers getting the later arriving cars.

You'd still need masses of charging stations because obviously the time it takes means if only a few are available, there will be cars waiting to charge. The whole thing is an unnecessary exercise in trying to fit a less flexible, less desirable, and more complex to schedule vehicle type into a program on the basis of nothing more than questionable science on the effects of CO2 on planetary temperatures.

It's not worth doing for any other reason, and the one reason given for doing it is tenuous at best.

 

[QP!]

You'd still need masses of charging stations because obviously the time it takes means if only a few are available, there will be cars waiting to charge. The whole thing is an unnecessary exercise in trying to fit a less flexible, less desirable, and more complex to schedule vehicle type into a program on the basis of nothing more than questionable science on the effects of CO2 on planetary temperatures.

It's not worth doing for any other reason, and the one reason given for doing it is tenuous at best.

NO.

The cars require less maintenance. Do not need to be rotated in and out to fuel and maintenance is cheaper.

They are worth happening and more practical for the vast majority of government workers, including most police.

 

[Lionfish]

It's Too Hot For EVs To Work Right

"The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles to lose nearly a third of their range."

Joey wets panties

 

[Joe Capitalist]

NO.

The cars require less maintenance. Do not need to be rotated in and out to fuel and maintenance is cheaper.

They are worth happening and more practical for the vast majority of government workers, including most police.

It will happen. More police forces will jump on the EV bandwagon and there's nothing these MAGA morons can do about it but soil their little diapers.

 

[Into the Night]

That you think every officer coming back for 'end of shift' all arrive at the stations at the same time, tells me you know nothing about this topic.

He does. It is obvious you don't.

Officers roll in at all different times to do necessary end of shift paper work, hang around and shoot the sit with fellow officers before going home.
And then depending on the departments and duties there will be briefings and instructions for the outbound officers that will take different amounts of time.
Some will be quick and out almost right away and others more slow.

30 minutes for the bulk of the EV's would be no issue, with the later leaving officers getting the later arriving cars.

You cannot charge an EV from discharged to fully charged in 30 minutes. Not unless the battery is too small to do the work required for a police car.

 

[Into the Night]

Funny. The EV revolution butthurts terry so much, now he's making shit up about police departments for his EV debates.

Kudos for tearing him a new one.

He is not making up shit about police departments. He is correct that they operate that way.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't care that he shows himself to be anti 'technology progress' of all kinds. I do care that he makes shit up to try and support his BS.

One of the bigger issues they are trying to solve in policing is the 'reporting burden' police officers have to document their shift work and debrief to superiors, where needed. It is typically said that can eat up ~3 hours of the officers shift, from start to end, with the bulk of it at shifts end. They are increasingly using voice recordings and voice to text, so officers can begin the process while driving in the car, but still, 30 minutes at the end of shift, for EV's to recharge would not be an issue at all.

It's about the car, dumbass. Not the cop.
The car goes out on the next shift.

 

[Nordberg]

They might, but they can't be refilled in 10 minutes or less so there is no possibility of a quick turnaround for a second shift. That means a department would need three cars for three shifts versus potentially just one that is used for all three and refueled after each. This would mean the department is paying for three vehicles versus one a cost increase of well over $100,000 per officer per shift.

EVs are refused in essentially no minutes. Just plug in and go in the house. A full charge is coming. Go to work tomorrow, your car has a full charge. It takes zero time. You do not go through the trouble of finding a station with the right price. You do not have to find an open pump. You do not have to pump your own case and stink up your hands. You save so much time and trouble with an EV.
Cops drive an average of 90 miles a shift. I looked it up. Cops say sometimes as much as 150. Of course, if you are in super rural areas, you might drive more. EVs would save a fortune in gas and maintenance. That is why police are changing over.

 

[Into the Night]

You'd still need masses of charging stations because obviously the time it takes means if only a few are available, there will be cars waiting to charge.

Worse than that. It takes longer than the 30 minutes he is quoting. Charging a discharged car to fully charged takes longer than 30 minutes. It takes hours. Anything like a rapid charge is partial charge and damages the battery.

The whole thing is an unnecessary exercise in trying to fit a less flexible, less desirable, and more complex to schedule vehicle type into a program on the basis of nothing more than questionable science on the effects of CO2 on planetary temperatures.

There is no science here. It is also not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth or the global atmospheric content of CO2.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. Warming the Earth requires additional energy. No gas or vapor is a source of energy simply by it's presence. The Church of Global Warming is literally trying to claim that you can create energy out of nothing, in violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics.

No gas or vapor has the capability to reduce entropy either, or to make heat flow 'backwards'. It is not possible to heat a warmer surface using a colder gas in the atmosphere. This violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The Church of Global Warming routinely claims that CO2 is somehow capable of heating the already warmer surface beneath it, violating the 2nd law of thermodynamics. They also claim you can 'trap heat'. Heat has no location and cannot be put into a container. It is not possible to trap it. You cannot trap thermal energy either, since there is always heat.

No gas or vapor can trap light either, yet the Church of Global Warming routinely declares this is possible. This violates Planck's laws and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. EVERYTHING that has a temperature above absolute zero converts thermal energy to light in accordance with the Stefan-Boltzmann law. There are NO exceptions. It is the SAME relation for ALL materials equally. There is no frequency component in this law. ALL frequencies are combined for the purposes of this law. Indeed, this law can be created by simply integrating Planck's law over all frequencies.

The Church of Global Warming routinely ignores and discards mathematics as well. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth, the emissivity of the Earth, or the global atmospheric content of CO2. There are nowhere near enough thermometers, and a satellite is incapable of this magick feat since the emissivity is also unknown.

There is therefore NO science on the effects of CO2 on planetary temperatures. No gas or vapor, not even magick CO2, has the capability to warm anything simply by it's presence.

Another point to consider on this:

The International Space Station, in orbit above the Earth, routinely experiences skin temperatures approaching 250 deg F. There is no appreciable atmosphere, and no appreciable CO2.
Yet, on the surface of Earth, no weather ever experiences anywhere near such temperatures. On the surface, there is CO2 in the atmosphere along with other gases, producing an average absolute pressure of 14.7psi.

If CO2 warms the Earth, why is the daytime temperature on Earth so much cooler???

Both objects rotate at the same rate.

The Church of Global Warming ignores this paradox.

It's not worth doing for any other reason, and the one reason given for doing it is tenuous at best.

It's not even 'tenuous'. It's downright impossible. The effect of CO2 or any other gas warming the Earth is ZERO. Nada. Nan. Absolutely zip.
Science says so.

The Church of Global Warming routinely discards science and mathematics.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Perhaps every American should have at least two motorcars,

a gasoline powered one for extended trips and an electric one for local driving.

It doesn't appear that the electrics are sufficiently convenient for the former.
Taking hours to fully charge, if that is indeed the case, is certainly not tolerable.
Even 30 minutes is not tolerable.

If ICE cars were used only for extended trips requiring an on-road refueling,
emissions would still be significantly reduced in the major metropolitan cultural centers.
Out in the boonies, the shitkickers don't appear to be concerned with air quality.

 

[Into the Night]

EVs are refused in essentially no minutes.

That's right. I refuse them. Look...that took me zero minutes.

Just plug in and go in the house.
A full charge is coming.

In hours. We are talking about cars on continuous duty, not your personal vehicle which you ALREADY admitted that you do not maintain.

Go to work tomorrow, your car has a full charge. It takes zero time.

No. It takes hours.

You do not go through the trouble of finding a station with the right price.

I don't have to refuel every night like you do.

You do not have to find an open pump.

I have no problem finding an open pump, unlike EV drivers having a lot of trouble finding a charging station.

You do not have to pump your own case and stink up your hands.

I don't pump cases. I pump gasoline. No, it does not stink up my hands. Shoveling shit on my farm does that.
I guess you never learned how to wash your hands.

You save so much time and trouble with an EV.

So you are happy with your EV. Too bad you don't maintain it. They are EXPENSIVE cars.

Cops drive an average of 90 miles a shift. I looked it up. Cops say sometimes as much as 150. Of course, if you are in super rural areas, you might drive more. EVs would save a fortune in gas and maintenance.

TANSTAAFL. No, they don't. EVs must still be charged. They must still be maintained and repaired. Police work is hard on a car. The EV won't cut it.

That is why police are changing over.

They aren't. Only a few departments have decided to try it. They are already pretty ineffective police departments already, being in Democrat run city hellholes.

You are still ignoring the time it takes to charge an EV. You are also ignoring the energy to charge that EV comes from power plants burning coal, oil, or natural gas. You are also ignoring the waste heat lost in generating that power and transmitting it to the charging station, meaning the EV requires almost twice as much energy as a gasoline car. You are also ignoring the special facilities required to repair and maintain EVs, which city shops don't have.

Your special pleading fallacy doesn't work, Nordbutt.

 

[Into the Night]

Perhaps every American should have at least two motorcars,

Most can only afford one, dumbass. Also, the EV is EXPENSIVE. Not many people can even afford them. Don't argue and try to justify communism and it's associated tyranny with me.

a gasoline powered one for extended trips and an electric one for local driving.

And a chicken in every pot.

It doesn't appear that the electrics are sufficiently convenient for the former.
Taking hours to fully charge, if that is indeed the case, is certainly not tolerable.
Even 30 minutes is not tolerable.

Correct.

If ICE cars were used only for extended trips requiring an on-road refueling,
emissions would still be significantly reduced in the major metropolitan cultural centers.

Emissions of what? Burning gasoline primarily produces CO2 and water. So?

Out in the boonies, the shitkickers don't appear to be concerned with air quality.

Actually, they are. They have crops and animals to raise.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

EVs are refused in essentially no minutes. Just plug in and go in the house. A full charge is coming. Go to work tomorrow, your car has a full charge. It takes zero time. You do not go through the trouble of finding a station with the right price. You do not have to find an open pump. You do not have to pump your own case and stink up your hands. You save so much time and trouble with an EV.
Cops drive an average of 90 miles a shift. I looked it up. Cops say sometimes as much as 150. Of course, if you are in super rural areas, you might drive more. EVs would save a fortune in gas and maintenance. That is why police are changing over.

I think that varies far more greatly than you give it credit for. Western US cities are far more spread out than ones on the east coast. But even if it were 100 miles per shift, and the battery at near half charge, it would have to be recharged for the next shift or there is a risk the vehicle might run out of charge during the second shift.
Then there are departments that assign officers their vehicles 24 hours a day and the officers take them home. That would require the department install home charging stations for such vehicles at officer's homes since they, not the officer would be paying for the electricity.

 

[ExpressLane]

Thanks for buying a Tesla and helping Elon buy Twitter to bring back free speech.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't care that he shows himself to be anti 'technology progress' of all kinds. I do care that he makes shit up to try and support his BS.

One of the bigger issues they are trying to solve in policing is the 'reporting burden' police officers have to document their shift work and debrief to superiors, where needed. It is typically said that can eat up ~3 hours of the officers shift, from start to end, with the bulk of it at shifts end. They are increasingly using voice recordings and voice to text, so officers can begin the process while driving in the car, but still, 30 minutes at the end of shift, for EV's to recharge would not be an issue at all.

The car is not the cop, dumbass. The car goes back out on the next shift while officers from the last shift complete their paperwork.
It takes longer than 30 minutes to charge.

The BS is YOURS.