This is doing the rounds in the UK

Milagro said:
It is a simple enough question, so I can only assume that with all the ducking and diving that is going on here that the answer is yes you will be billed or your next of kin will be if you die. That just would not happen over here, indeed if it did there would be a huge outcry, so there's your principle.

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my question was also simple......since you didn't answer mine I also get to make up an answer and pretend its true......no......you don't have any principles about billing terrorist victims for health care......you just don't bill anyone for health care irrespective of terrorism......

why pretend, like the OP did, that there is any connection at all between single payer insurance and terrorism?.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
my question was also simple......since you didn't answer mine I also get to make up an answer and pretend its true......no......you don't have any principles about billing terrorist victims for health care......you just don't bill anyone for health care irrespective of terrorism......

why pretend, like the OP did, that there is any connection at all between single payer insurance and terrorism?.......
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No that is not true, there has been a major crackdown on so-called health tourism in recent years. However you can tell you're a lawyer though, you are just not used to giving straight answers.

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Milagro said:
So it's true then? If an American had been badly injured in a bombing in the UK they would be treated on the NHS for free, no questions asked. I guess that tells you all you need to know about the difference between our countries.

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But it isn't free.
 
Althea said:
If you get a ride from a local volunteer ambulance corp, then you get a request for a donation. If you got a ride from an ambulance company, then you get a rather large bill. I was transferred 30 miles from one hospital to another. I was already stabilized, and had no attention from the ambulance crew. They billed me $1500 for a 40 minute ride. Most companies around here don't have contracts with insurance companies, so you pay the bill and apply it to your deductible.

I was going to fight the exorbitant charge, but it was clear that my bills were going to far exceed my annual max OOP....so I paid them $200/month for almost a year.
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We have paid fully staffed full time firemen who are either EMTs or Para medics. You can't be a fireman otherwise.
No charge.
 
Milagro said:
Is it that hard to get a sensible answer out of anybody?

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No, it is a sad state of affairs for some, but in the main, insurance would indeed cover the bills. The system of private insurance is not a wholesale failure. It is mostly a failure for the 10% who for whatever reason (poor or young invincibles) don't acquire it. It's a conundrum every issue in which freedom and prudence butt heads. Some people drive without auto insurance, some people drink and smoke weed all day and lose jobs, some people have unprotected sex with strangers frequently etc etc. There is the freedom argument which is valid up until the point that the recklessness visits harm on others. I think we need universal healthcare because we can rely on the system to fail as to too many and reckless people will fail to buy insurance so we all pay for them. But I think that OP exaggerates what would happen in the US with that scenario.
 
I Love America said:
I think the argument Tom is making is that the U.K. cant keep you safe from islamic terrorism but at least the ambulance ride is free

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Oh OK, so what about all the incidents of Islamic terrorism in the US? Starting with the two attacks on the Twin Towers, you act as if it doesn't happen over there ffs. I just asked a perfectly simple question but all I get is wriggling, ducking and diving.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

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I Love America said:
I think the argument Tom is making is that the U.K. cant keep you safe from islamic terrorism but at least the ambulance ride is free

:tomb:
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Despite the uptick in terrorism, the odds of being hurt there or here is still miniscule. The risk is not appreciable and yet we all go overboard appreciating it, with $. We'd be better off if that money was spent on healthcare and Cancer research. That's just the fact. I know that does not forward your goal of scaring the globe into electing fascist leaders like Donald Trump, but it's still true.
 
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Althea said:
If you get a ride from a local volunteer ambulance corp, then you get a request for a donation. If you got a ride from an ambulance company, then you get a rather large bill. I was transferred 30 miles from one hospital to another. I was already stabilized, and had no attention from the ambulance crew. They billed me $1500 for a 40 minute ride. Most companies around here don't have contracts with insurance companies, so you pay the bill and apply it to your deductible.

I was going to fight the exorbitant charge, but it was clear that my bills were going to far exceed my annual max OOP....so I paid them $200/month for almost a year.
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Why do you believe it was exorbitant?

Why didn't you opt to drive yourself the 40 miles if you were already stabilized?

Why didn't you take Uber?
 
I Love America said:
Why do you believe it was exorbitant?

Why didn't you opt to drive yourself the 40 miles if you were already stabilized?

Why didn't you take Uber?
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Bureaucratic inertia and the need for licensure. I suppose you could call uber and use the free market to tamp down on the prices. Why are the prices for screwdrivers so high just because they will be used in a classified submarine requisitioned by the DoD? Same. Why aren't you complaining about that? Oh, because it doesn't fit your uber patriotic bomb the fuck out of everyone, large patriotic Ford F150 grill, don't tread on me, cheat on your wife redneck life choice!
 
Milagro said:
Remind me, what did you say? At least answer this question, would the relatives of people who were treated in hospital but died of their wounds be billed?

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I do not think I would be billed for my sister. I think my insurance would be billed for my child or wife. I do not think I would be billed for my parents. What I said was just a post or two above.
 
Micawber said:
No, it is a sad state of affairs for some, but in the main, insurance would indeed cover the bills. The system of private insurance is not a wholesale failure. It is mostly a failure for the 10% who for whatever reason (poor or young invincibles) don't acquire it. It's a conundrum every issue in which freedom and prudence butt heads. Some people drive without auto insurance, some people drink and smoke weed all day and lose jobs, some people have unprotected sex with strangers frequently etc etc. There is the freedom argument which is valid up until the point that the recklessness visits harm on others. I think we need universal healthcare because we can rely on the system to fail as to too many and reckless people will fail to buy insurance so we all pay for them. But I think that OP exaggerates what would happen in the US with that scenario.
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OK got that, but couldn't an argument be made that terrorist attacks are not acts of God, hence the Federal government is liable due to failing in its duty of care to US citizens.

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Micawber said:
Bureaucratic inertia and the need for licensure. I suppose you could call uber and use the free market to tamp down on the prices. Why are the prices for screwdrivers so high just because they will be used in a classified submarine requisitioned by the DoD? Same. Why aren't you complaining about that? Oh, because it doesn't fit your uber patriotic bomb the fuck out of everyone, large patriotic Ford F150 grill, don't tread on me, cheat on your wife redneck life choice!
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They do that because they can get away with it. Holy shit they had an audit and the Pentagon couldn't account for $6. 5 trillion. Maybe they should have looked down the backs of their sofas?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/audit-reveals-pentagon-6-5-trillion/

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