They claim the American left don’t believe in God.

[Dutch Uncle]

If you simply haven't seen enough evidence for a deity, God, or universal spirit, but are open to patiently waiting to see if more evidence comes to light, that's agnosticism, not atheism.

Agnostics have not conclusively decided one way or the other, and by temperament they would be waiting for more evidence to show up.

Agreed. It's funny to me how many atheists hem and haw about acknowledging their beliefs are no more provable than a Bible-Thumping Jesus Freak's. LOL

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Right.

So it is fine to not believe in 99,999 of 100,000 gods that have been believed in (or whatever the number is) but it becomes 'sad' if you go that extra step to the last singular one. That last one is the one we must hold to.

Anyone not recognizing the stupidity of that position is ... well... stupid.

Not only is the statement and the speaker stupid, but also judgmental. It's in direct contradiction to what the god she purports to follow told us not to do to others.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

It's an altered version of the KJV, and since when does any legitimate bible include fake texts about US politics?

"The God Bless the U.S.A. Bible, also known as the Trump Bible, is an anthology or compilation of texts—some of them deliberately incomplete—in the realm of American Civil Religion and Trumpism, containing an edition of the King James Version of the Christian Bible, alongside texts related to the foundation and politics of the United States such as a purposefully incomplete Constitution of the United States, the Declaration of Independence, and the Pledge of Allegiance.

Like most MAGAT CINOs, FatLame is fine with a fellow fake Xtian warping her Holy Book as long as it's in service to her #MalignantMessiah.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Ross i will do you one better.

There are several debate forums, some on University sites and others in other spaces.

I will let you chose one that we agree to and we can post your question with your list of 3 answers and then me saying none of those answers fit me correctly and then give my 4th and ask that forum to vote on whether my answer is appropriate or not and if it fully addresses the question asked.

If the respondents do not overwhelming side with me (75% or more) i will put up whatever sig and Av you want (within the rules here) and if they do side with me, then you give me your Av and Sig. We will link to that poll in the other forum here.

You on?

Not sure why you want to get posters from another site involved, QP. We can do that right here. Internet posters are Internet posters.

I am willing to start a thread defining my position and quoting EXACTLY from your responses...WITH links to everything.

You do the same...and we can ask anyone who wants to vote to do so . If more than 50% (no need for 75%) of the people side with you...I will acknowledge defeat and leave the forum...with fond regards for everyone I leave behind.

Not asking anything of you if you lose...not even an acknowledgement from you that you lost.

You game?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

She doesn't understand what you mean by PP.

What are the odds she thinks it's a sex fetish akin to Golden Showers?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Like most MAGAT CINOs, FatLame is fine with a fellow fake Xtian warping her Holy Book as long as it's in service to her #MalignantMessiah.

MAGAts worship a man in league with Satan. They are all evil and need to be identified, located and tracked.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

AI Overview



Yes, the "God Bless the USA" Bible, often called the Trump Bible, contains a complete King James Version (KJV) of the Christian Bible, plus patriotic American documents like the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and the Pledge of Allegiance, along with lyrics to Lee Greenwood's song
. It's a large-print edition designed for easy reading, combining religious scripture with foundational American texts.

Checkmate

So, as I said, it is called the "Trump Bible" because it is an adulterated version of the Scripture accepted as authentic by most Christian sects. You debated this and were, as always proven wrong. It's not surprising though that a cult member like yourself would have no problem with this -- as long as it's your #MaliciousMessiah peddling it.

I have a strong suspicion that it would be a completely different story if, say, Pres. Biden or Pres. Obama had hawked *their* own version of the Holy Book.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I looked at a Bible reviewer on Youtube. He showed the Bible in detail. Your source is wrong.

Double checkmate

^^^
Dr. Meth is smoking earlier these days.

 

[Ross Dolan]

@Ross Dolan ,

here is what we would post...

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Question:
Are there any gods involved in the REALITY of existence?

Answer that question. Just answer it. There are three choices:

1) Yes there is at least one GOD involved.
2) No, there are no gods involved.
3) Beats the shit out of me.

Which is it?


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My Reply:

"I would not answer with any of those and would say 4 - there is simply zero evidence for XYZ or any other god, so for me to say "yes these 'gods' were involved, or 'no these gods were not involved', would not be a proper reply for me"

You left out my response to your response, namely that your comment does not actually answer my question. It might be a fine response to something else...but I am asking specifically, "Are there any gods involved in the REALITY of existence?"

And it left out my acknowledgement that there might be an answer that is not a variation of one of those three...if you could probduce it.

BUT I am asking for an answer to my question...which your response does not do. PERIOD.

 

[Cypress]

Agreed. It's funny to me how many atheists hem and haw about acknowledging their beliefs are no more provable than a Bible-Thumping Jesus Freak's. LOL

I am dubious about the very tight constraints and suspiciously suspect boundaries some atheists place on what counts as evidence for God.

According to the atheist, it can only be empirical evidence. The kind of evidence that only comes from direct observation and sense perception.
Logical deduction, logical inference, rational reasoning are not allowed.

The belief that the only knowledge that counts comes from empirical observation and scientific experiment is a seriously flawed worldview. Human beings couldn't function if all our knowledge has to come from scientific empirical observation.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Another rule one violation

Let me guess. Along with "Deplorable," one of your other real names is "Sam"? What about Heniretta Hypocrite? Crazy Catherine? Frantic Freddy? Lascivious Lucy? Horny Hannah? Ima Insane? Fakeass Frannie? Vicky Victim? Snotrag Sarah? Snoopy Sally? BallLicker Bob? Quick, DM your newest recruit to weeport what you're too afraid to do!

 

[TOP]

And the violations continue...

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I am dubious about the very tight constraints and suspiciously suspect boundaries some atheists place on what counts as evidence for God.

According to the atheist, it can only be empirical evidence. The kind of evidence that only comes from direct observation and sense perception.
Logical deduction, logical inference, rational reasoning are not allowed.

The belief that the only knowledge that counts comes from empirical observation and scientific experiment is a seriously flawed worldview. Human beings couldn't function if all our knowledge has to come from scientific empirical observation.

#Me too. Like MAGAts, they often cherry-pick from the Bible to prove their points yet never, ever cherry-pick from the Koran or Torah. Weird!

Agreed. They claim there isn't a god/creator or force outside the Natural Universe the resulted in the Big Bang instead of using the logical approach of saying "I don't know".

In the Natural Universe, that's true, but it denies the fact something can't come from nothing along with the fact that human beings, by our very nature, have a spiritual component along with a physical and mental component.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

And the violations continue...

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Apparently she has more names than that demon in the Bible. lol

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Apparently she has more names than that demon in the Bible. lol

It's a good thing most everything is rechargeable these days. Otherwise, she'd go broke buying D-cell batteries.

 

[QP!]

Not sure why you want to get posters from another site involved, QP. We can do that right here. Internet posters are Internet posters.

I am willing to start a thread defining my position and quoting EXACTLY from your responses...WITH links to everything.

You do the same...and we can ask anyone who wants to vote to do so . If more than 50% (no need for 75%) of the people side with you...I will acknowledge defeat and leave the forum...with fond regards for everyone I leave behind.

Not asking anything of you if you lose...not even an acknowledgement from you that you lost.

You game?

Due to our histories on this forum this is not a place of unbiased analytical replies. There is no denying this forum is an extreme one of sides and thus peoples replies would be almost certainly tainted by 'like' or 'dislike' of a person.

A place where no such bias exists is clearly a better avenue to assess the question and as this is a 'structural question' of 'did my answer address the question properly or not', a debate forum is far better than a politics forum.

If you do not want to take the 5 minutes it would take to find a suitable 'debate forum, i will go find 3 or 5 suitable ones and you can choose the one i post the agreed to question to.

 

[QP!]

You left out my response to your response, namely that your comment does not actually answer my question. It might be a fine response to something else...but I am asking specifically, "Are there any gods involved in the REALITY of existence?"

And it left out my acknowledgement that there might be an answer that is not a variation of one of those three...if you could probduce it.

BUT I am asking for an answer to my question...which your response does not do. PERIOD.

I copied the initial exchange directly that is the basis for our disagreement but edit it as you want to see it and let me see.

 

[Cypress]

#Me too. Like MAGAts, they often cherry-pick from the Bible to prove their points yet never, ever cherry-pick from the Koran or Torah. Weird!

Agreed. They claim there isn't a god/creator or force outside the Natural Universe the resulted in the Big Bang instead of using the logical approach of saying "I don't know".

And then when you ask an atheist what kind of evidence they're waiting to see, they either don't have an intelligible answer, or they say something that could be written off as hallucination, mental illness, coincidence, or delusion - like God writing their name in the sky, etc.

The other suspect constraint they place on theism is that it has to be one of the ancient bronze or iron age gods from the Near East, India, Greece, Rome, or the Norse people. They pretty much avoid more modern renditions of a rational higher power like the Deism of Thomas Jefferson, the god of Spinoza, the pantheism of Einstein.

In the Natural Universe, that's true, but it denies the fact something can't come from nothing along with the fact that human beings, by our very nature, have a spiritual component along with a physical and mental component.

Great point.

I see no conceivable prospect in the future that there will be adequate scientific explanations for the origin of the universe, the origin of life, the nature of consciousness. We still don't even really understand what gravity is at the level of fundamental reality 500 years after Isaac Newton.

So an over-confidence and over-reliance on the scientific experimental method supposedly being the source of all our knowledge is a seriously flawed worldview.

I got as much knowledge from the Tao Te Ching and the Dhammapada as I got from my physics and calculus college textbooks.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I copied the initial exchange directly that is the basis for our disagreement but edit it as you want to see it and let me see.

Better yet, you can supply the OP...and I given the opportunity to post my rendition of the conflict.

I'm not sure we can find an objective forum for this question. There will almost always be more atheists than people of my particular agnostic take. But I can live with that. I am saying that your response was a response, BUT NOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

And if more people agree with your argument that it was an answer, than with mine (50% no need for 75%) I will acknowledge your win and leave JPP...with fond memories of everyone. (No obligation on your part to even acknowledge anything.)

Your response WAS NOT an answer to my question at all.