They claim the American left don’t believe in God.

[Damocles]

Why?

I will assume you believe in a singular god, and there have been many civilizations who have believed in dozens of gods (god of fire, god of water, etc, etc), so if they said of you "what a blessing to not be one who believes in only a single god' would you agree with that sentiment that somehow it was deficient to not believe what they do?

Or would you reply to them that your belief in one god is the perfect spot? That those like you hold the only valid position?

There are what I call the Evangelical Atheists. They go around trying to convince everybody how awesome it is to be an Atheist... these people think and say the word in a way you can "feel" the capitalization. I like to talk about the Spaghetti Monster, because it is fun, not to be a dick. The Evangelical Atheists will only speak of it in a way that mocks and is just to be a dick. They believe that people that have faith in a god rather than faith that there is no god are "idiots" and they treat them that way.

What kind are you, QPee Herman?

 

[QP!]

There are what I call the Evangelical Atheists. They go around trying to convince everybody how awesome it is to be an Atheist... these people think and say the word in a way you can "feel" the capitalization. I like to talk about the Spaghetti Monster, because it is fun, not to be a dick. The Evangelical Atheists will only speak of it in a way that mocks and is just to be a dick. They believe that people that have faith in a god rather than faith that there is no god are "idiots" and they treat them that way.

What kind are you, QPee Herman?

I do not have any issue with any persons faith. I grew up in faith and had my own journey while studying religion and have my own conclusion but freely admit there is NO KEEPER of FACTS on this issue so being an ass about it, is stupid.

What i hate is when religious people WRONGLY trying to define the 'absence of faith' in any one religion as its own faith as that is just stupid. It makes the words meaningless because if that is true then all of us have 'faith' in everything including whether JPP (the forum) is god, via or not believing it is or not considering it.

Based on trying to say 'the lack of belief in a thing is a faith' that leads to infinity minus one being all the beliefs a person holds who believes in one god being. It is simply a dumb way to define anything.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I would not answer with any of those

I didn't think you would. In fact,

I would have bet as much as possible that you would avoid a real answer and just divert to what you deem to be a lack of evidence for a god.

and would say 4 - there is simply zero evidence for the Spaghetti Monster or any other god'.

The fact that there is what you deem to be "zero evidence...for any other god" is a device almost every "atheist" uses to avoid actually answering that question...which VERY OBVIOUSLY must be answered by anyone with concern for the truth with, "I do not know.

By the way, this supposed "lack of evidence" is illogical, unscientific, and absurd. There is a ton of evidence...but because we do not know if any gods exist...the evidence might NOT be of gods.

I do not say "3)" because that makes it seem like i lack information, whereas i have all the information and there is simply NONE that supports the existence of a god.

You did not say "3)" because you are attempting to defend your "atheistic" position in the face of absurdity. You are doing what religionists do in defense of their theistic inclinations. That has been my point all along...that people who "believe" that there are no gods (or that it is more probable that there are no gods than that there is at least one god)...are essentially doing what theists do...believing (or blindly guessing about an unknown).

Would you agree that mankind has a really crap track record when it comes to predicting what 'gods exist' based on faith?

I would say that from the earliest days of conjecture on the question...humans, predictably, consider the possibilities of gods in the way they want to see their gods...which, for the most part, seems to be in ways that the God(s) will help them survive a mean and potentially dangerous existence. Ya know, in hopeful ways about crops and protection from enemies and so forth. The fact that human fuck up on their impressions of what gods may be like is no more a mystery to me than the fact that they fuck up on what the cosmos is and how it works.

That in the thousands predicted every religious person would say they are 'all wrong, except for the one(s) i believe in'??

Many religionists don't do that. Atheists like to depict them in that way so that they can show scorn and contempt for them the way you do. In fact, most religionists who have ever lived were polytheists who acknowledged a pantheon of gods.

Would you agree that if we created an inclusive list of ten thousand of 'god entities' and i went down that list with a 'religious person with a belief in THEIR god', they would agree with me as i said 'no to belief in 9999 of them they would agree with me, UNTIL i hit their singular one(s), they believed in' and then suddenly i would be wrong?

No, I wouldn't. And even if it were so...what you would be proving is that theists are hard-headed blind guessers who just will not listen to reason about the issue...sorta like atheists who are every bit as hard-headed a bunch of blind guessers who also will not listen.

Also I, or one of my fellow "agnostic types," might be one of those 10,000...and you would be wasting your time .

 

[Ross Dolan]

I do not have any issue with any persons faith. I grew up in faith and had my own journey while studying religion and have my own conclusion but freely admit there is NO KEEPER of FACTS on this issue so being an ass about it, is stupid.

What i hate is when religious people WRONGLY trying to define the 'absence of faith' in any one religion as its own faith as that is just stupid. It makes the words meaningless because if that is true then all of us have 'faith' in everything including whether JPP (the forum) is god, via or not believing it is or not considering it.

Based on trying to say 'the lack of belief in a thing is a faith' that leads to infinity minus one being all the beliefs a person holds who believes in one god being. It is simply a dumb way to define anything.

See my comments above about theistic hard-headedness.

Oh, and see the comments about atheistic hard-headedness also.

 

[Jarod]

There are what I call the Evangelical Atheists. They go around trying to convince everybody how awesome it is to be an Atheist... these people think and say the word in a way you can "feel" the capitalization. I like to talk about the Spaghetti Monster, because it is fun, not to be a dick. The Evangelical Atheists will only speak of it in a way that mocks and is just to be a dick. They believe that people that have faith in a god rather than faith that there is no god are "idiots" and they treat them that way.

What kind are you, QPee Herman?

The same attitude can be attributed to many evangelical Christian’s.

How many times have I been told, with arrogance, “my God is the only way’. Open this flower bud!!! “How will you feel when I’m in heaven and you are in hell”

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The last I heard is that SCOTUS is taking a look at it.

Any guesses if this turns out to be akin to the Dred Scott decision?

Supreme Court agrees to hear Trump’s challenge to birthright citizenship

The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments early next year in the challenge to President Donald Trump’s Jan. 20 executive order seeking to end birthright citizenship – the guarantee of […]

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The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments early next year in the challenge to President Donald Trump’s Jan. 20 executive order seeking to end birthright citizenship – the guarantee of citizenship to almost everyone born in the United States. Under the order, which has never gone into effect, people born in the United States would not be automatically entitled to citizenship if their parents are in this country either illegally or temporarily. The challengers argue that the order conflicts with both the text of the Constitution and the court’s longstanding case law.

Please elaborate.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Please elaborate.

SCOTUS will fuck up and, as a nation, we'll spend 20 years unfucking it.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I didn't say he was. I said he doesn't give a shit about religion. He might concern himself with it to the extent it buys him something or makes him money, but beyond that he doesn't care about it.

I'm imipressed. I seldom see a Trump defender who realizes this truth about the #MalignantMessiah. Does it bother you that Trump uses evangelicals, the Bible, Jesus, religious leaders, etc. for his own gain?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Drunkenly and without understanding the underlying context?

Snakes in Ireland? Sounds like a good reason to get blitzed. lol

 

[Damocles]

The same attitude can be attributed to many evangelical Christian’s.

How many times have I been told, with arrogance, “my God is the only way’. Open this flower bud!!! “How will you feel when I’m in heaven and you are in hell”

Duh, why do you think I call them Evangelical Atheists?

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

I do not have any issue with any persons faith. I grew up in faith and had my own journey while studying religion and have my own conclusion but freely admit there is NO KEEPER of FACTS on this issue so being an ass about it, is stupid.

What i hate is when religious people WRONGLY trying to define the 'absence of faith' in any one religion as its own faith as that is just stupid. It makes the words meaningless because if that is true then all of us have 'faith' in everything including whether JPP (the forum) is god, via or not believing it is or not considering it.

Based on trying to say 'the lack of belief in a thing is a faith' that leads to infinity minus one being all the beliefs a person holds who believes in one god being. It is simply a dumb way to define anything.

it is defacto it's own faith.

and they're very proud and superior about it.

Illuminati people are this way..

fuck em.

 

[QP!]

I didn't think you would. In fact,
...

Not reading beyond that as you saying i MUST use your answer even if does not fit my view or it is not a "real answer" proves you have no interest in discussion and only telling me what my view must be.

4 - there is simply zero evidence for any other god'

Is absolutely an answer and is my authentic answer to your question below...

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Are there any gods involved in the REALITY of existence?

Answer that question. Just answer it. There are three choices:

1) Yes there is at least one GOD involved.
2) No, there are no gods involved.
3) Beats the shit out of me.

Which is it?

Now i will play like you do so you answer my question.

Is your view of God's answer
1) he does not exist
2) he exists but is spaghetti
3) he is Xeon

Now answer with one of those answers only or prove you have no interest in this discussion.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Drunken Irishmen I get, but celebrating the patron saint of Ireland? I doubt most Americans know the shamrock was St. Patrick's way of teaching the Holy Trinity to Irish Celts?

And what about Cinco de Mayo, yet another excuse-to-get-wasted special day in America? lol

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

why argue about a thing we can't prove? Or disprove?

I cannot speak for all non-Christians, of course. But IMO both the believers and the rest of us would be far happier if they'd mind their own souls' business and stop trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us. That includes the judgmental attitudes a couple of them just in this thread have shown.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I had a nun, who had a Shamrock in her classroom and told the story to us.

I had no nuns but heard that story long ago, probably from my Sunday School mother.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

There are what I call the Evangelical Atheists. They go around trying to convince everybody how awesome it is to be an Atheist... these people think and say the word in a way you can "feel" the capitalization. I like to talk about the Spaghetti Monster, because it is fun, not to be a dick. The Evangelical Atheists will only speak of it in a way that mocks and is just to be a dick. They believe that people that have faith in a god rather than faith that there is no god are "idiots" and they treat them that way.

What kind are you, QPee Herman?

Great obersations. When I first encountered the Internet 30 some years ago, I used to join discussion forums on places like Yahoo that were about religion. You're right -- the "Militant Atheists" were pests. They mostly attacked Christians, probably in part because they were the majority. But other faiths got it, too.

"Real" atheists that I know in real life don't bring up religion at all. If pushed to comment by an ardent Evanglical, they mostly just say "That's nice," or "No, thank you" and decline to debate. They certainly don't seek out the faithful to lambast them for their beliefs.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

SCOTUS will fuck up and, as a nation, we'll spend 20 years unfucking it.

How do you think they'll rule?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is more than adequate foundation for the fact that...

1) I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not (I guarantee I do no know)
2) I see no reason to suspect that gods CANNOT exist (I guarantee I see no reason) (Not sure why you changed that, but don't do that. I said what I mean.)
3) I do not see any reason to suspect that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible. (If you do...let's discuss that.)




I wrote it exactly as I intended...and of course you agree.


That is nonsense.

We are talking about whether a God or gods exist. Save that other crap for a different discussion. When the subject is whether a God or gods exist...anyone asserting a "YES" or "No" is making a blind guess. When the subject is whether it is more probable that one or the other is the REALITY...any assertion in either direction is a blind guess. If you think otherwise...show me your work...the math.

If you want later to discuss Spaghetti Monsters or Meatballs...we can do that in a different thread.

1) Same here.
2) Until the question of "where did the Universe come from" is answered, anything is possible.
3) The Universe began with the Big Bang and will likely end with the Big Chill. Why it began implies a creative force.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

How do you think they'll rule?

IDK but hope they rule in support of the Constitution. If Congress and the States want to change it, there's a process to do so.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

And what about Cinco de Mayo, yet another excuse-to-get-wasted special day in America? lol

Great for selling food and booze!

What's fascinating to me is that Cinco de Mayo is a bigger holiday in the US than in Mexico due to strong commercialization.

Cinco de Mayo | Meaning, History, Food, Traditions, & Facts | Britannica

Cinco de Mayo is a holiday celebrated in parts of Mexico and the United States in honor of a military victory in 1862 over the French forces of Napoleon III. It should not be confused with Mexican Independence Day, which falls on September 16 and was established in 1810.

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Celebrations in Mexico and the United States​

The day is celebrated in the state of Puebla with parades, speeches, and reenactments of the 1862 battle, though it is not much noticed in most of the rest of the country. In the mid-20th-century United States, the celebration of Cinco de Mayo became among Mexican immigrants and those of Mexican descent a way of encouraging pride in their Mexican heritage. U.S. cities with notable Cinco de Mayo festivities include Los Angeles, Denver, and Washington, D.C.