They cant repeal Obamacare!

Milagro said:
This from the guy that went mental when some posters started making personal remarks about his family!!

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You don't expect Zipperhead to be honest do you? He will claim "ILA started it" you know the excuses of a 5 year old
 
Milagro said:
No you won't, single payer is the only truly effective way to pay for healthcare. It truly makes my mind boggle that people can be forced into bankruptcy just because they become ill.

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You are creating false choices and conflating things.

First of all people go bankrupt for many reasons why should medical care be excluded.

It is false to claim that the gobblement keeps people from going bankrupt.

I get it you were born into your flawed system. You have come to accept mediocre care, long waits and limited choices. You really don't know what you are missing just as long as you think someone else is paying for it

This is where you claim that you "paid into the system" as if that somehow entitles you to something
 
blackascoal said:
They did it too .. how are you so unaware of that.
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who said i'm unaware of it? I'm completely aware of it. so aware of it that I KNEW that both parties were chomping at the bit to hear this shit from you idiots so that they could find another line to cross and have you morons fighting about who did it first or who did it worst.
 
If Medicare and Medicaid are soooooo wonderful why would a hospital give preferential treatment to private insurance?

Oh that's right to lefties the notion of economics and laws of supply and demand are supposed to magically disappear for healthcare. I mean a physician should go $300,000 in debt because it is his duty to treat people for free
 
Milagro said:
No you won't, single payer is the only truly effective way to pay for healthcare. It truly makes my mind boggle that people can be forced into bankruptcy just because they become ill.
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BK is the consequence of not purchasing hlth. ins. to afford a three pack a day cig. habit or a Cadillac Escalade. I actually knew someone like this.
Personally I think hlth. care is a responsibility not a right but I'm realistic that I'm in the extreme minority.
My alternative is Moosecare or The Fairness in Healthcare Act which I will push for once I'm elected to Congress. Because it is the most innovative hlth. care system ever devised, viable, satisfies most whether con or dim , and completely makes sense, it will inevitably fail. At that time I will retire from my brief stay in Congress and live the rest of my live gardening, golfing, swimming and cycling at my house in Kona, Hawaii.
 
I Love America said:
If Medicare and Medicaid are soooooo wonderful why would a hospital give preferential treatment to private insurance?

Oh that's right to lefties the notion of economics and laws of supply and demand are supposed to magically disappear for healthcare. I mean a physician should go $300,000 in debt because it is his duty to treat people for free
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Well obviously you've never heard of the Hippocratic Oath!

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aloysious said:
BK is the consequence of not purchasing hlth. ins. to afford a three pack a day cig. habit or a Cadillac Escalade. I actually knew someone like this.
Personally I think hlth. care is a responsibility not a right but I'm realistic that I'm in the extreme minority.
My alternative is Moosecare or The Fairness in Healthcare Act which I will push for once I'm elected to Congress. Because it is the most innovative hlth. care system ever devised, viable, satisfies most whether con or dim , and completely makes sense, it will inevitably fail. At that time I will retire from my brief stay in Congress and live the rest of my live gardening, golfing, swimming and cycling at my house in Kona, Hawaii.
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I don't know what you mean by Moosecare. It seems to me to be not only compassionate but also eminently logical to ensure all your citizens are as healthy as possible. Your mental healthcare is particularly bad and partly explains why there are so many loonys and weirdos walking the streets without recourse to treatment. No wonder that there are so many shooting incidents in the USA. How many people rob, steal or even murder to get money for drugs when they could be n drug rehabilitation programs?

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aloysious said:
BK is the consequence of not purchasing hlth. ins. to afford a three pack a day cig. habit or a Cadillac Escalade. I actually knew someone like this.
Personally I think hlth. care is a responsibility not a right but I'm realistic that I'm in the extreme minority.
My alternative is Moosecare or The Fairness in Healthcare Act which I will push for once I'm elected to Congress. Because it is the most innovative hlth. care system ever devised, viable, satisfies most whether con or dim , and completely makes sense, it will inevitably fail. At that time I will retire from my brief stay in Congress and live the rest of my live gardening, golfing, swimming and cycling at my house in Kona, Hawaii.
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How many people have been made redundant in their late fifties and lose their healthcare? How are they to get decent health cover?

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Milagro said:
Well obviously you've never heard of the Hippocratic Oath!

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I have. You apparently haven't but you want to indenture their labor for your use. Because you know healthcare is your right dammit and if others have to lose their property well fuck em
 
Milagro said:
I don't know what you mean by Moosecare.
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It's a natl. health care system I came up with on dcj. A few from there understood it. Everybody pays into the system and there are alternative choices. Basically it's a free market approach to medical cost sharing.
Milagro said:
It seems to me to be not only compassionate but also eminently logical to ensure all your citizens are as healthy as possible.
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Yet some of that burdon should be shared by utilizing personal responsibility. Why should I care about a stranger's health when they obviously don't?
Milagro said:
Your mental healthcare is particularly bad and partly explains why there are so many loonys and weirdos walking the streets without recourse to treatment.
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They have plenty. CHC's , community mental health services, my community actually offers free housing to the homeless regardless of whether they have substance abuse.
Milagro said:
No wonder that there are so many shooting incidents in the USA. How many people rob, steal or even murder to get money for drugs when they could be n drug rehabilitation programs?
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That's a whole nother topic. If I were king there would be strict gun control and all handguns would be outlawed.
 
Milagro said:
How many people have been made redundant in their late fifties and lose their healthcare? How are they to get decent health cover?

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Excellent point. Before ACA, anyone (like myself) who had to shop in the individual market was screwed. And people who came down with serious illnesses were fired because of what they were doing to the group insurance premiums.
 
Milagro said:
Yes well you can blame Chappaquiddick Ted for putting the kibosh on that plan. He let the union's walk all over him.

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Bullshit.
Nixon only developed that plan to keep Teddy from becoming too popular.
 
Pre-ACA this scenario was common.


Pay-Check to Pay-Check employee is working for ACME Corporation. He gets his paycheck and insurance for the hard work and dedication he put into the job.

BAM, employee gets into a bad car accident and cannot work. Two to Three weeks later employee gets terminated because he can no longer do his job, insurance coverage ends. The former employee is offered COBRA, which is a possibility to stay on his policy at work, for about triple the price he was paying, because the employer no longer pays the portion they were paying. The employee loses coverage and is now diagnosed with a herniated disk that requires surgery. HE cant work, cant get private insurance because he has a PEC cant afford COBRA, and cant pay the Doctor because he cant work.

Under the ACA, this guy could get insurance, at a greatly reduced rate because he has no income... get his surgery and then go back to work.
 
aloysious said:
It's a natl. health care system I came up with on dcj. A few from there understood it. Everybody pays into the system and there are alternative choices. Basically it's a free market approach to medical cost sharing.
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A reasonable suggestion...

aloysious said:
Yet some of that burdon should be shared by utilizing personal responsibility. Why should I care about a stranger's health when they obviously don't?
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Why should you care? Because, as a decent, moral human being, the sanctity of EVERY human life should concern you.

aloysious said:
They have plenty. CHC's , community mental health services, my community actually offers free housing to the homeless regardless of whether they have substance abuse.
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Although your community may be doing a wonderful job, there are hundreds of communities all across the country that don't provide for their homeless and the mentally ill.

aloysious said:
That's a whole nother topic. If I were king there would be strict gun control and all handguns would be outlawed.
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REALLY?

WOW...I never would have guessed.
 
Milagro said:
It seems to me to be not only compassionate but also eminently logical to ensure all your citizens are as healthy as possible.
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It seems to me that you believe I'm not compassionate enough to help pay someone's health ins. that can't afford it because they have a $600/mo. smoking habit or are paying a lease on a Cadillac Escalade. Or in other words, I should be subsidizing their bad habits. No, I'm not compassionate in that regard. I leave that to the snowflakes and moonbats.
 
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Nomad said:
No rational person who deals in reality ever thought these bozos ever had a real plan, much less one that they could all agree upon.

If the stupid, greedy, obstructionist power grubbing GOP scumbags had actually cared about improving the lives of the people they work for, they might have adopted a spirit of cooperation with Obama and the Dems, and tried to work with them, offering up some free market ideas as part of a compromise in exchange for their support.

Rather than vowing to block Obama's agenda make him a one term President as their primary goal.

Maybe now we'd have something that was actually working and gradually improving health care access and affordability, rather than this current puddle of runny shit on the floor around their feet, that THEY CREATED.

But then, what else can you expect out of a crowd of assholes, besides a big puddle of shit?
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Wow, I actually agree with you.
 
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