They are talking Impeachment!

Likewise, there isn't a political party in the UK who would win an election on a promise to dismantle the NHS.

Strange how this thing that everybody apparently hates seems so important to people.

Seems apple is a bit off:

In fact it appears the system is too over burdened and that care is becoming more and more abysmal.
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In British Columbia, the government is moving hospitals to a pay-for-service model that would lead providers to compete with one another directly. In Quebec, the premier has openly endorsed the idea of co-pays for basic services, which no politician previously supported. And governments across the country are hiring private clinics to provide basic surgeries.

By one estimate, 50,000 patients a year in British Columbia are served in some type of private facility.

Why the appetite for change in a country that has long been held as a model of health care efficiency and equity? The system is beset by problems. According to the Canadian Medical Association, roughly 4 million to 5 million people don't have a family physician.

Patients wait for practically any problem, sometimes with disastrous results. A Montreal woman died recently after waiting four days in a hospital ER, the last of a string of Quebec deaths that led the head of that province's College of Physicians to hope openly for a "miracle."
 
Yes, their full potential. Let's take a closer look at how many reach their "full potential". Obviously you never watched the video "The Warning" http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/ Take two minutes and watch from 16:00 minutes to 18:00 minutes.

Alan Greenspan felt the market would look after the fraudsters and there was no need to prosecute fraud. That, in large measure, is what the free enterprise system has become.

I don't need to watch a video to understand how a capitalist system works. I have never advocated or endorsed FRAUD in any way, and I think our system needs to monitor and prosecute fraudsters. That is indeed an important function of policing capitalist policies, and most normal people don't have any problem with punishing those who take advantage of others. We don't need to completely destroy capitalism to do that.

As I've noted a person can open a business, rip off people, use the income they receive to buy a car or pay a mortgage then declare the business bankrupt. Many companies being LLC means only the company assets can be confiscated to pay the ripped off folks. The money the guy/gal made ripping off folks and used to buy assets such as a car or house can not be touched. How many people do you think got away with that in the late 1700/early 1800?

Again, no one is proposing we just let crooks and frauds run roughshod over the people! It's not a suggestion any SANE person would make. So why are you continuing to argue, as if someone has stated this?

I was referring to those who lost jobs due to businesses moving overseas. To keep jobs here and compel citizens to pay higher prices for goods they can purchase made elsewhere is charity for the employees. It is a make-work project. People are subsidizing jobs.

The first and most important thing we should do, is look at WHY these jobs are moving overseas? In some cases, it is because labor unions have made it virtually impossible for the industry to compete with the cheap labor costs in countries who don't have labor unions. In other cases, it's because the government has burdened the industry with so many taxes and regulations, as to not make it profitable in America anymore. In neither case, is it better to prop up labor unions, keep taxes and regulations high, and start subsidizing volunteer work, as we watch ALL the real jobs go bye-bye!

Sure. Just like the credit default swaps and other financial instruments. In case you're not aware the current financial problem is a direct result of "government getting out of the way".

You are wholly uneducated on the current financial problem. What started the ball rolling, was the collapse of Freddy and Fannie... programs which were working fine, until Democrats Barney Frank and Chris Dodd started "tweaking" them! We passed mandates for these institutions to lend money to people who simply couldn't afford the loans, and they defaulted. If government had not interfered, these institutions would have remained strong.

Then tell me the difference between forcing people to pay higher prices for goods so someone can have a job or forcing people to pay taxes so we can retrain those people. Obviously it is you who never thought this through. Keep the shoe factory open so people have jobs but consumers have to pay more for shoes? Employees retire, others take their place and consumers continue to subsidize people who make shoes. Or close the shoe factory and retrain the present staff and/or subsidize their wages if they take another job. By following the latter course there is an end in sight. Keeping the factory open means citizens will continue to subsidize those jobs from generation to generation.

Well the difference is, as you DEPLETE the tax base, you don't have the money to subsidize the "paid volunteers" you advocate! The more jobs that move overseas, the more people sign up for your "paid volunteer" jobs, and the fewer who are actually paying money into the system to fund this! I have not advocated keeping a non-profitable business open through government subsidies, that is what the Obama Administration has done, with the mantra "too big to fail" and all. In my viewpoint, no one is "too big to fail" and that is precisely what SHOULD happen in a capitalist free market system! If you can't make a profit doing whatever it is you're doing, then you have no business being in that business!

Again, the MAIN problem with businesses failing, is high taxes, too much government regulation, and the ever-increasingly ridiculous demands of unionized labor. Until we attack THOSE problems, we can't solve THE problem!
 
Again, the MAIN problem with businesses failing, is high taxes, too much government regulation, and the ever-increasingly ridiculous demands of unionized labor. Until we attack THOSE problems, we can't solve THE problem!

But neocon fool. Even if there were no labor unions we couldn't compete with overseas slave labor. We need massive protectionism.

The idea that we must have a fully globalized labor force at all corporations is a fools idea. That is a race to the bottom.
 
Seems apple is a bit off:

In fact it appears the system is too over burdened and that care is becoming more and more abysmal.
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In British Columbia, the government is moving hospitals to a pay-for-service model that would lead providers to compete with one another directly. In Quebec, the premier has openly endorsed the idea of co-pays for basic services, which no politician previously supported. And governments across the country are hiring private clinics to provide basic surgeries.

By one estimate, 50,000 patients a year in British Columbia are served in some type of private facility.

Why the appetite for change in a country that has long been held as a model of health care efficiency and equity? The system is beset by problems. According to the Canadian Medical Association, roughly 4 million to 5 million people don't have a family physician.

Patients wait for practically any problem, sometimes with disastrous results. A Montreal woman died recently after waiting four days in a hospital ER, the last of a string of Quebec deaths that led the head of that province's College of Physicians to hope openly for a "miracle."

How many people in the US die prematurely from stroke and other illnesses because they can't afford a doctor for a basic physical? Or how many can afford to go but decide having a decent dinner is more important?

A string of deaths? I'd like to see some "string" figures. If ONE person dying makes the news what does that say about the overall efficiency of a medical plan that covers 30 million people?
 
How many people in the US die prematurely from stroke and other illnesses because they can't afford a doctor for a basic physical? Or how many can afford to go but decide having a decent dinner is more important?

A string of deaths? I'd like to see some "string" figures. If ONE person dying makes the news what does that say about the overall efficiency of a medical plan that covers 30 million people?

I linked the story apple. After the story there were like 4 pages of comments many from Canadian's complaining about the same stuff as in the story...

In the US we do provide medical care of at least up to par with what you provide in Canada. We do so on the backs of tax payers to our truly needy no matter the age. Hell we are providing ER care where every modern piece of diagnostic equipment is at the ready even to illegals.

The fact of the matter is that our third party free market system is broken and needs fixing...but government becoming the third party in its place will just give us the mediocre crap you all have; and like the proverbial frogs in the slowly boiling pot of water Canadian's like you are seemingly cluless how bad things are and appear to be willing to live with it.

The problem with you apple is that you as a Canadian have had such piss poor medical care for so long you can't understand what we have and how much better it is.
 
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I don't need to watch a video to understand how a capitalist system works. I have never advocated or endorsed FRAUD in any way, and I think our system needs to monitor and prosecute fraudsters. That is indeed an important function of policing capitalist policies, and most normal people don't have any problem with punishing those who take advantage of others. We don't need to completely destroy capitalism to do that.

Again, no one is proposing we just let crooks and frauds run roughshod over the people! It's not a suggestion any SANE person would make. So why are you continuing to argue, as if someone has stated this?

I continue to argue that because people continue to argue there is too much government regulation. Obviously there is not enough government regulation.

The first and most important thing we should do, is look at WHY these jobs are moving overseas? In some cases, it is because labor unions have made it virtually impossible for the industry to compete with the cheap labor costs in countries who don't have labor unions. In other cases, it's because the government has burdened the industry with so many taxes and regulations, as to not make it profitable in America anymore. In neither case, is it better to prop up labor unions, keep taxes and regulations high, and start subsidizing volunteer work, as we watch ALL the real jobs go bye-bye!

The main reason jobs are moving overseas is because of lower wages. It's going to take time for things to balance out but there's no choice. We are in a global economy. Those who work in industries that produce every day consumer goods need help. Let's all help out.

You are wholly uneducated on the current financial problem. What started the ball rolling, was the collapse of Freddy and Fannie... programs which were working fine, until Democrats Barney Frank and Chris Dodd started "tweaking" them! We passed mandates for these institutions to lend money to people who simply couldn't afford the loans, and they defaulted. If government had not interfered, these institutions would have remained strong.

If you think the mortgages in the US resulted in the near global collapse you are terribly misguided. Yes, financial institutions were encouraged to loan money. The problem is the financial institutions didn't have sufficient money from depositors so they tried to generate funds through questionable investments. The problem was banks become little more than gambling companies.

Well the difference is, as you DEPLETE the tax base, you don't have the money to subsidize the "paid volunteers" you advocate! The more jobs that move overseas, the more people sign up for your "paid volunteer" jobs, and the fewer who are actually paying money into the system to fund this! I have not advocated keeping a non-profitable business open through government subsidies, that is what the Obama Administration has done, with the mantra "too big to fail" and all. In my viewpoint, no one is "too big to fail" and that is precisely what SHOULD happen in a capitalist free market system! If you can't make a profit doing whatever it is you're doing, then you have no business being in that business!

I used volunteering as an example. The point is doing ANYTHING is better than having citizens subsidize a job that someone else can do cheaper. It's a waste of people's time and money.

Again, the MAIN problem with businesses failing, is high taxes, too much government regulation, and the ever-increasingly ridiculous demands of unionized labor. Until we attack THOSE problems, we can't solve THE problem!

Nonsense. People go into business to make money. They will cut corners, try to sell inferior products, ignore safety measures, etc. The government has to watch them.

We know that happens. That's why safety boards and government inspections of food plants came about. Regulations weren't there in the beginning. They came into being precisely because people couldn't be trusted to do what was right.

It's pathetic to hear all the whining about the "poor" entrepreneur/small businessman. They're treated like they're all a Mother Theresa when the reality is they're there to get as much money as possible, any way they can.

Maybe when "frontier justice" was in vogue a businessman could be trusted to be honest and reputable. Sell a faulty product or try try to swindle someone and people came looking for you.

Now it's grab what you can, keep the ill-gotten booty, declare bankruptcy and apply for another government grant to start over. It that what you meant by one being able to "reach their full potential"?
 
But neocon fool. Even if there were no labor unions we couldn't compete with overseas slave labor. We need massive protectionism.

The idea that we must have a fully globalized labor force at all corporations is a fools idea. That is a race to the bottom.

Uhm.... I did not say that we need a globalized labor force, where did you get such an idiotic notion? Honestly, I don't know what the solution is, we aren't going to disband all the labor unions, that just isn't going to happen in the world we live in, we can dream and wish, but as far as a practical solution, that isn't possible either. But in order to return America to the days of old, when we lead the world in manufacturing of EVERYTHING, we have to address the burdensome drain on business caused by collective bargaining. We've essentially priced ourselves out of the market with nothing more than union greed. That has to change if we ever expect to see America competitive again in the manufacturing sector, that's just a fact of life.

Not saying we need to pay people what China pays people... but we do need to reel in union labor a bit, and stop the madness. If American manufacturers could compete on something approaching a reasonable level, it would be different than now. Aside from the labor costs, there is also the corporate tax liability and costly regulations. The proposed Fair Tax would eliminate corporate taxes, and there are MANY areas our government could deregulate, in spite of what liberal pinheads have been taught to parrot.
 
The problem with you apple is that you as a Canadian have had such piss poor medical care for so long you can't understand what we have and how much better it is.

You may be correct. Perhaps it's a matter of differing cultures? Here in Canada we wait in line for medical attention. I see the protocol is different in Michigan. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6072921-woman-shoots-herself-to-get-er-treatment

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I linked the story apple. After the story there were like 4 pages of comments many from Canadian's complaining about the same stuff as in the story...

In the US we do provide medical care of at least up to par with what you provide in Canada. We do so on the backs of tax payers to our truly needy no matter the age. Hell we are providing ER care where every modern piece of diagnostic equipment is at the ready even to illegals.

The fact of the matter is that our third party free market system is broken and needs fixing...but government becoming the third party in its place will just give us the mediocre crap you all have; and like the proverbial frogs in the slowly boiling pot of water Canadian's like you are seemingly cluless how bad things are and appear to be willing to live with it.

The problem with you apple is that you as a Canadian have had such piss poor medical care for so long you can't understand what we have and how much better it is.
 
I continue to argue that because people continue to argue there is too much government regulation. Obviously there is not enough government regulation.

You're an idiot! We have MILLIONS of pages of legislative regulations now! And you want to pass MORE? What the fuck is the matter with you, moron? Every time the government establishes a new regulation, it costs some business money to implement it! Are you not comprehending that? The more regulations and mandates we pass, the more money it costs the business to comply! Foreign countries are beating our brains out because they can produce and manufacture things MUCH cheaper, because their businesses don't have a MOUNTAIN of fucking governmental regulations to have to pay for! Now, I know in your little pinhead mind, you believe businesses and corporations just have all kinds of squirreled away profits they don't need, and they can just tap into those resources to pay for any new regulations, but that is an ignorant and uninformed idea of how business works. EVERY regulation and cost you pass on to business, is thereby passed on to the consumer in the form of a higher priced product. Let's remember, the PROBLEM is, we can't manufacture things as cheap as other countries! One of the mitigating factors of cost, is the regulations. You're a fucking brain-dead moron if you think we don't have enough!!!

The main reason jobs are moving overseas is because of lower wages. It's going to take time for things to balance out but there's no choice. We are in a global economy. Those who work in industries that produce every day consumer goods need help. Let's all help out.

Let's be clear, things will NEVER "balance out" with regard to wages. People in China work for what is the equivalent of pennies a day, and we have no ability to stop them from doing that! We can't "regulate" Chinese corporations! Indeed, we ARE in a global economy, and there are things the more educated masses in America can do with skilled labor, than many other countries out there who compete with lower wages. But in order to make American labor viable, we have to be smart and do smart things. You are not a smart person, as evidenced in almost everything you post. To get to where we need to be, we need to DEREGULATE... take some of this expensive burden off the backs of industry, so they MAY be able to compete. We need to LOWER their taxes, or eliminate them altogether! Again, to cut the expenses as much as possible, and enable the company to make more profit by staying in the US and not sending the jobs overseas. And we need to do something about collective bargaining agreements for union labor, it's gotten WAY outta hand, and it is stifling the manufacturing sector's ability to make a reasonable profit. All of these things have to be done if we ever hope to see our jobs return, there is no other way to get there... we sure as FUCK don't get there by paying people to do goddamn volunteer work, you idiot!

If you think the mortgages in the US resulted in the near global collapse you are terribly misguided. Yes, financial institutions were encouraged to loan money. The problem is the financial institutions didn't have sufficient money from depositors so they tried to generate funds through questionable investments. The problem was banks become little more than gambling companies.

I don't THINK it, I KNOW it! The problems started with the collapse of Freddy and Fanny, and that was a direct result of DEMOCRATS mandating they make loans to people who couldn't afford them. There was no questionable investments, they were MANDATED by THE GOVERNMENT to make loans to low income applicants who couldn't repay the loans and defaulted.

I used volunteering as an example. The point is doing ANYTHING is better than having citizens subsidize a job that someone else can do cheaper. It's a waste of people's time and money.

I agree, I don't want my tax dollars being spent to subsidize ANYTHING! And it's simply not always better to "do ANYTHING" ...sometimes, it's better to DO NOTHING! Sometimes, it's better to get government the fuck out of the way, and let capitalist free market systems work like they are supposed to!

Nonsense. People go into business to make money. They will cut corners, try to sell inferior products, ignore safety measures, etc. The government has to watch them.

We know that happens. That's why safety boards and government inspections of food plants came about. Regulations weren't there in the beginning. They came into being precisely because people couldn't be trusted to do what was right.

Where did I say that we shouldn't have any oversight on business and industry, and we should just let them do whatever the fuck they please? I'm sorry, but you have misinterpreted me grossly. I think we can have oversight without regulating them out of fucking business.

Yes, people DO go into business to make money, but in America, you have to pay this regulatory fee and that tax, you have to jump through this regulatory hoop and comply with that mandate, and it fucking never ends! Every time you think you've about got it figured out how to make money, here comes the government along (with your blessings) to zap you again with another tax, fee, or regulatory burden. On top of that, labor unions are organizing your workers, so they can demand a larger slice of the pie for themselves. And this is all why people who really want to make money, go to another country and start their business! We've unionized, taxed, and regulated ourselves out of the market, it's no longer attractive to someone who want to MAKE MONEY!

It's pathetic to hear all the whining about the "poor" entrepreneur/small businessman. They're treated like they're all a Mother Theresa when the reality is they're there to get as much money as possible, any way they can.

Well you know what, fuckwad... THOSE are the people who create 90% of the jobs! Until you decide to declare a ceasefire in your little WAR against them, don't expect the jobs to come back! Yeah, you might as well go ahead with your idiotic plan to have us all work for the state at the homeless shelter, we'll NEVER see the jobs return to America with your philosophy!

Maybe when "frontier justice" was in vogue a businessman could be trusted to be honest and reputable. Sell a faulty product or try try to swindle someone and people came looking for you.

Now it's grab what you can, keep the ill-gotten booty, declare bankruptcy and apply for another government grant to start over. It that what you meant by one being able to "reach their full potential"?

Listen to your rant, moron! Just sit back and listen to your rant! You are so vitriolic against capitalism it is seeping from your pores as you type! You just can't stand that someone might make a profit in America. It doesn't seem to dawn on you, the people who make profit in America, are the ones providing all the jobs, which provide all the tax revenues! You want to repeatedly attack business and industry and hobble them in any way you can, while idiotically being puzzled as to why there are no jobs being created! It's absolutely stunning.
 
Tancreado is so full of it

What's his major complaint....that under Obama 2 major auto companies were kept from declaring Chapter 11? (Tancreado forgets that due to this, at least one major company is producing again at a profitable rate)

That the right wing evangelists are all pissed because they can't keep gays from getting married?

That a temporary moratorium on offshore oil drilling was implemented until it could be established that the BP disaster could not be added to?


His fantastic distortion of the Arizona border issue.....were the Federal gov't basically challenges a the State superceding it's authority to compromise the right of the average citizen against improper search and seizure with it's new laws?


No, Tancreado just parrots the hysteria promoting mantras heard/read by ultra-right wing and neocon pundits....a lot of screaming about Marxism and abuse of power, but with no charge standing up under close scrutiny. It's this tossing of read meat to his Teabagging buddies that he hopes will get him the governorship in Colorado....thank God he's out of the Senate.

Tancreado's silly diatribe found a place in the Washington Times....a wingnut rag born of the Rev. Sun Yung Moon...the cult leader that curries favor with our military do to his one time connections to intelligence on North Korea. Moon poors millions into the Washington Times...which has YET to make a decent profit. But yellow sheet journalism isn't about profit per se....it just keeps the masses in line for those in power....and Tancreado is a ready made pimp and/or whore for that....having sucked at the teat of Reaganomics for 12 years.

Saying that Obama is more dangerous to America than Al Qaeda pretty much details the idiocy of anyone who buys into Tancreado's bilge...and I ain't just whistl'in Dixie on that!
 
Tancreado is so full of it

What's his major complaint....that under Obama 2 major auto companies were kept from declaring Chapter 11? (Tancreado forgets that due to this, at least one major company is producing again at a profitable rate)

Actually, that wasn't Tancredo's major complaint at all. The fact that our government basically usurped the Constitution and took control of our leading manufacturing sector, is outright Socialism, and it's more than just Tancredo who doesn't like that.

That the right wing evangelists are all pissed because they can't keep gays from getting married?

Gay Marriage is a dead issue, even The Obama doesn't support it! Get a fucking clue!

That a temporary moratorium on offshore oil drilling was implemented until it could be established that the BP disaster could not be added to?

There is nothing "temporary" about it, the drilling rigs are being moved to Africa and elsewhere as we speak, and they ain't coming back. They simply aren't going to sit idle in the Gulf for 6 months, only a loon would think they might. Not only that, but TWO Federal courts have already ruled against Obama on this, and he has demonstrated he simply doesn't care what the courts say. This has cost thousands of jobs in Louisiana, who's job base is 70% related to the oil industry. With support jobs, the companies providing the tools, drill bits, machinery, etc. for these drilling operations, it is estimated this 'moratorium' will cost us around 200,000 jobs across the board.

You want to prevent another BP disaster? How about finding a way to get the MMS to not spend all day looking at porn, instead of actually DOING their jobs?

His fantastic distortion of the Arizona border issue.....were the Federal gov't basically challenges a the State superceding it's authority to compromise the right of the average citizen against improper search and seizure with it's new laws?

LIE! --The Arizona law mirrors the Federal Law. There is not ONE THING the Arizona law enforcement has been given permission to do, that Federal agents didn't already have permission to do. There is no "improper search and seizure" in the AZ law, in fact, it strictly forbids such a thing. You are just immersed in this bold faced LIE!

Saying that Obama is more dangerous to America than Al Qaeda pretty much details the idiocy of anyone who buys into Tancreado's bilge...and I ain't just whistl'in Dixie on that!

No, and you don't need to whistle Dixie, you are probably too stupid to whistle anyway. Obama for another 4 years, will most certainly be worse than anything alQaeda could have ever done to America. Thank God, people are realizing that. Still, I have to wonder about the 43% who STILL think he is doing a good job. Obviously, we have a problem with retarded people in America.
 
You may be correct. Perhaps it's a matter of differing cultures? Here in Canada we wait in line for medical attention. I see the protocol is different in Michigan. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6072921-woman-shoots-herself-to-get-er-treatment

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Dumb response. The woman in the story was an idiot. She can afford to feed a dog and own a gun, but can't pay 100 bucks for a regular doctors visit and another 40 for some pain killers...instead she shoots herself to get it for free...is she related to you???

Again, I already said our system needs to be fixed, but making it the piece of crap mediocre stuff you have is not the answer...
 
Uhm.... I did not say that we need a globalized labor force, where did you get such an idiotic notion? Honestly, I don't know what the solution is, we aren't going to disband all the labor unions, that just isn't going to happen in the world we live in, we can dream and wish, but as far as a practical solution, that isn't possible either. But in order to return America to the days of old, when we lead the world in manufacturing of EVERYTHING, we have to address the burdensome drain on business caused by collective bargaining. We've essentially priced ourselves out of the market with nothing more than union greed. That has to change if we ever expect to see America competitive again in the manufacturing sector, that's just a fact of life.

Not saying we need to pay people what China pays people... but we do need to reel in union labor a bit, and stop the madness. If American manufacturers could compete on something approaching a reasonable level, it would be different than now. Aside from the labor costs, there is also the corporate tax liability and costly regulations. The proposed Fair Tax would eliminate corporate taxes, and there are MANY areas our government could deregulate, in spite of what liberal pinheads have been taught to parrot.

It's implied in your globalist zealotry.
 
Dumb response. The woman in the story was an idiot. She can afford to feed a dog and own a gun, but can't pay 100 bucks for a regular doctors visit and another 40 for some pain killers...instead she shoots herself to get it for free...is she related to you???

Again, I already said our system needs to be fixed, but making it the piece of crap mediocre stuff you have is not the answer...

Obviously you didn't read the article very well. The first thing is she doesn't own a gun. She borrowed it.

The second thing you seem to have overlooked is "They said if it wasn't life-threatening, no health insurance, you can't get no help."

People require medical care for all kinds of illnesses and injuries that are not life threatening because many can become life threatening. To say a medical system which does not treat illnesses and injuries until they become life threatening is better than one that does is absurd.

Yes, the US system does need to be fixed and has required fixing for a long time but nobody did anything. As I and others have shown there is not ONE country on the face of the earth that has scrapped their government medical and reverted to the old pay or suffer system and EVERY country started out with a pay or suffer system.

Are you unable to make the connection? Are you stumped trying to draw the one and only logical conclusion?
 
Obviously you didn't read the article very well. The first thing is she doesn't own a gun. She borrowed it.

The second thing you seem to have overlooked is "They said if it wasn't life-threatening, no health insurance, you can't get no help."

People require medical care for all kinds of illnesses and injuries that are not life threatening because many can become life threatening. To say a medical system which does not treat illnesses and injuries until they become life threatening is better than one that does is absurd.

Yes, the US system does need to be fixed and has required fixing for a long time but nobody did anything. As I and others have shown there is not ONE country on the face of the earth that has scrapped their government medical and reverted to the old pay or suffer system and EVERY country started out with a pay or suffer system.

Are you unable to make the connection? Are you stumped trying to draw the one and only logical conclusion?

The obvious conclusion is your shit systems are being forced onto the people by an unresponsive totalitarian hegemony.
 
You're an idiot! We have MILLIONS of pages of legislative regulations now! And you want to pass MORE?

Ahhh, my simple friend. Life in your naive, little world is so different from reality.

Why do you think all those regulations came about? What would prompt someone to even think about imposing a regulation? A regulation on what? There had to be a reason, a circumstance, a "what" in order for someone to feel a regulation was necessary.

Whether it's large businesses polluting or small businesses hiring people and paying them under the table to avoid contributing to unemployment insurance, for example, or hiring part time workers who are presently collecting welfare or other benefits on the side to "one-man businesses" run by greedy people who cut corners when it comes to safety to selling inferior products/services.....every rule and regulation came about because something had to be addressed.

One person's American Dream can easily become another person's American Nightmare. The entrepreneur is not some angel from Heaven. For every individual who has started a business and supplied jobs there are literally hundreds who scammed both their customers and the government.

Why do you think the vast majority of businesses failed within a year or two? Because they had a superior product? Because they offered superior service? Or because your heroes are nothing more than scam artists and snake oil salesmen?

Yes, everyone dreams of owning their own business and being a financial success and a lot of people dream of being doctors and lawyers and achieving financial success. Fortunately, we have rules and regulations on becoming a doctor or lawyer but, unfortunately, we have either too few or unenforced rules and regulations on being a business owner.

Just take one example. A person can open a business, collect money from clients, refuse to provide promised products/services or provide inferior products/services, then declare the company bankrupt and keep the money.

Is that your idea of job creation? Is that what you believe makes for a thriving economy? Support those people to the point of giving them grants, removing restrictions and even going so far as to give them tax breaks on the money they received through less than honorable means?

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You're an idiot! We have MILLIONS of pages of legislative regulations now! And you want to pass MORE? What the fuck is the matter with you, moron? Every time the government establishes a new regulation, it costs some business money to implement it! Are you not comprehending that? The more regulations and mandates we pass, the more money it costs the business to comply! Foreign countries are beating our brains out because they can produce and manufacture things MUCH cheaper, because their businesses don't have a MOUNTAIN of fucking governmental regulations to have to pay for! Now, I know in your little pinhead mind, you believe businesses and corporations just have all kinds of squirreled away profits they don't need, and they can just tap into those resources to pay for any new regulations, but that is an ignorant and uninformed idea of how business works. EVERY regulation and cost you pass on to business, is thereby passed on to the consumer in the form of a higher priced product. Let's remember, the PROBLEM is, we can't manufacture things as cheap as other countries! One of the mitigating factors of cost, is the regulations. You're a fucking brain-dead moron if you think we don't have enough!!!



Let's be clear, things will NEVER "balance out" with regard to wages. People in China work for what is the equivalent of pennies a day, and we have no ability to stop them from doing that! We can't "regulate" Chinese corporations! Indeed, we ARE in a global economy, and there are things the more educated masses in America can do with skilled labor, than many other countries out there who compete with lower wages. But in order to make American labor viable, we have to be smart and do smart things. You are not a smart person, as evidenced in almost everything you post. To get to where we need to be, we need to DEREGULATE... take some of this expensive burden off the backs of industry, so they MAY be able to compete. We need to LOWER their taxes, or eliminate them altogether! Again, to cut the expenses as much as possible, and enable the company to make more profit by staying in the US and not sending the jobs overseas. And we need to do something about collective bargaining agreements for union labor, it's gotten WAY outta hand, and it is stifling the manufacturing sector's ability to make a reasonable profit. All of these things have to be done if we ever hope to see our jobs return, there is no other way to get there... we sure as FUCK don't get there by paying people to do goddamn volunteer work, you idiot!



I don't THINK it, I KNOW it! The problems started with the collapse of Freddy and Fanny, and that was a direct result of DEMOCRATS mandating they make loans to people who couldn't afford them. There was no questionable investments, they were MANDATED by THE GOVERNMENT to make loans to low income applicants who couldn't repay the loans and defaulted.



I agree, I don't want my tax dollars being spent to subsidize ANYTHING! And it's simply not always better to "do ANYTHING" ...sometimes, it's better to DO NOTHING! Sometimes, it's better to get government the fuck out of the way, and let capitalist free market systems work like they are supposed to!



Where did I say that we shouldn't have any oversight on business and industry, and we should just let them do whatever the fuck they please? I'm sorry, but you have misinterpreted me grossly. I think we can have oversight without regulating them out of fucking business.

Yes, people DO go into business to make money, but in America, you have to pay this regulatory fee and that tax, you have to jump through this regulatory hoop and comply with that mandate, and it fucking never ends! Every time you think you've about got it figured out how to make money, here comes the government along (with your blessings) to zap you again with another tax, fee, or regulatory burden. On top of that, labor unions are organizing your workers, so they can demand a larger slice of the pie for themselves. And this is all why people who really want to make money, go to another country and start their business! We've unionized, taxed, and regulated ourselves out of the market, it's no longer attractive to someone who want to MAKE MONEY!



Well you know what, fuckwad... THOSE are the people who create 90% of the jobs! Until you decide to declare a ceasefire in your little WAR against them, don't expect the jobs to come back! Yeah, you might as well go ahead with your idiotic plan to have us all work for the state at the homeless shelter, we'll NEVER see the jobs return to America with your philosophy!



Listen to your rant, moron! Just sit back and listen to your rant! You are so vitriolic against capitalism it is seeping from your pores as you type! You just can't stand that someone might make a profit in America. It doesn't seem to dawn on you, the people who make profit in America, are the ones providing all the jobs, which provide all the tax revenues! You want to repeatedly attack business and industry and hobble them in any way you can, while idiotically being puzzled as to why there are no jobs being created! It's absolutely stunning.
 
The obvious conclusion is your shit systems are being forced onto the people by an unresponsive totalitarian hegemony.

But the government is responding to the people. The people want the medical system fixed. The problem is the Repubs did all they could to impede change so some of the compromises are less than ideal. The good news is, as Obama has said, we're heading in the right direction.

We're on the right road. A few adjustments will be needed here and there but we're marching forward.
 
Why do you think the vast majority of businesses failed within a year or two? Because they had a superior product? Because they offered superior service? Or because your heroes are nothing more than scam artists and snake oil salesmen?

I think some 90% of restaurants in San Francisco fail within the first year or two and I imagine the rate must similar across the country. Now are you arguing that if the owners weren't scam artists and snake oil salesman their restaurants would succeed or the success rate would be much higher?

The liberal Bay Area and Silicon Valley is home to many many entrepreneurs and serial entrepreneurs. Many of our most successful entrepreneurs in the Valley have had multiple ventures fail in the past. Here of course most non anti-capitalists realize the risk that come with attempting to start a new venture and success in not a given or guaranteed. VC firms hope just one or two out of ten investments hit it big. If there wasn't risk involved everyone would start a company and become rich.

I will say it does make for a more interesting board with discussion and debate by having a true anti-capitalist here. You don't even see rants like apple coming from liberal Democrats on this board. And just because I had to spend time this past week with my Canadian relatives apples mindset is an excellent example of why Canada will always be America's b*tch.
 
But the government is responding to the people. The people want the medical system fixed. The problem is the Repubs did all they could to impede change so some of the compromises are less than ideal. The good news is, as Obama has said, we're heading in the right direction.

We're on the right road. A few adjustments will be needed here and there but we're marching forward.

The government is killing it's citizens through neglect. Your road blows.
 
I think some 90% of restaurants in San Francisco fail within the first year or two and I imagine the rate must similar across the country. Now are you arguing that if the owners weren't scam artists and snake oil salesman their restaurants would succeed or the success rate would be much higher?

The liberal Bay Area and Silicon Valley is home to many many entrepreneurs and serial entrepreneurs. Many of our most successful entrepreneurs in the Valley have had multiple ventures fail in the past. Here of course most non anti-capitalists realize the risk that come with attempting to start a new venture and success in not a given or guaranteed. VC firms hope just one or two out of ten investments hit it big. If there wasn't risk involved everyone would start a company and become rich.

I will say it does make for a more interesting board with discussion and debate by having a true anti-capitalist here. You don't even see rants like apple coming from liberal Democrats on this board. And just because I had to spend time this past week with my Canadian relatives apples mindset is an excellent example of why Canada will always be America's b*tch.

I'm not anti-capitalist. A few years ago I entered a 50/50 partnership in a small business. The previous owners offered to spend some time showing us "the ropes", like hiring people under the table and saving contributions/taxes, cutting safety corners, etc. Needless to say their help was not appreciated and we quickly cut ties.

Yes, I like money. It's expensive keeping classic cars on the road, dining at fine restaurants, going on vacations. However, allegiance to my community and fellow citizens, my inherent knowledge of right and wrong prevents me from attempting to rip them off.

The reason so many businesses fail is because the people who open them are not business people. Contrary to popular belief not everyone is a business person. More often than not their greed and ego do them in by their offering inferior products/services or a general smart-ass attitude.

As for Canada being the US's b*tch the bottom is not falling out of the housing market and medical services are available to all. Being a b*tch can be rewarding.

But all is not bad for you. As the old saying goes "Stay the course" and vote Obama in 2012. It takes time to straighten out the mess you find yourselves in.
 
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