I believe Trump didn’t have to go to the Island. He could harass and abuse the victims at Epstein’s and his properties right here in the USA.
There is clearly a serious problem at the BLS, long before now
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The Trumpy powers are working hard on training Maxwell. She will say exactly what they want. Can you imagine them moving a child sex trafficker to a minimum jail? She is also a perjurist. She is brokering her testimony bigly. Trump will pardon her.
So I guess that means Trump was lying again last November just prior to the election:
“Former President Trump panned a jobs report released by the Labor Department on Friday, calling it the “worst jobs report in the history of our country” during a rally in Michigan.”
“We have breaking news. It’s actually bad news. It’s only good for one thing, if you happen to be running against the stupid fools that created this news. It’s bad news, bad news for the country, who just announced a little while ago, that brand new jobs report proves decisively that Kamala Harris and crooked Joe have driven our economy off a cliff,” Trump told his supporters in Warren, Mich.”
If the reports were so politically bias why did they release the worst report Biden got just prior to the election last Fall?
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i gave you an article...it clearly shows that the system is flawed...
There's no point in comparing numbers when they aren't accurate...why compare one set of flawed numbers with another set of flawed numbers?
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There's no issue with BLS. There's an issue with people, like Trump, not understanding the process.
Never 100% accurate, what is, but traditionally provide a generalized view on employment in the economy, businesses, especially Wall Street , rely on them, and without them, there exists no consensus measurement
Truth is the Red Hat Club is only attacking them because Trump attacked them. If the reports had been good, Trump be praising them, it’s his usual schtick, if anyone or entity reveals something he doesn’t like, attack the messenger, muddle the truth, it is what exposed him during Covid
If the numbers are flawed, and have the same flaws year after year, why do they not show the labor trends? You are asking for a precise number of people employed. That cannot exist. People are leaving jobs and getting hired by the many thousands every day.
You say flawed numbers. OK, compare 6 months ago's false numbers with todays flawed numbers. If the same system is being used, the comparisons are as valid as if the numbers were more precise.
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Why not just develop system that works? Or just admit the numbers really don't mean anything?
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The existing system works reasonably well.
The problem with getting data is that people don't always respond in a timely fashion. If you had bothered to read your link, you would have seen that the current system includes going back and asking again each of the next two months if the data isn't reported in a timely fashion. The data is supplied by people. People get sick, they go on vacation, they forget to do something, they get fired and there is no one to replace them, they start a new company and don't know they are supposed to report.
The thing is that you seem to fail to understand is that the data is most likely to need to be revised in times of job turmoil because failure to report is probably higher.
How would you develop a system that works? It would work better if every person in the US was required to wear a personal monitor that reported if they worked and what they made every day of the month. But that is not likely to happen or even be any more reliable than the current system for the simple reason that people are fallible.
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There has to be a better system...this one is obviously very flawed.. I read the link, which is why I'm saying it's obviously flawed the way it's set up...there's no point in putting out numbers that really don't mean anything...
(When I develop an IEP for a student, if the psychologist and a few others who have critical input don't respond in a timely manner, should I just make things up? And change it later if they ever get back to me? Or if they're sick, on vacation, don't know they have to report, or just forget, or lie to get me to stop reminding them the info is due, should I just continue to write the evaluation according to what particular mood I'm in that day?)
Already cited in OP.
Wrong; they were ding huge revisions then.Only a month ago you were posting threads that treated BLS as the gold standard of labor data
- Some "crash":
- Strong GDP Growth: The US economy experienced a significant rebound in Q2 2025, with real GDP increasing at an annual rate of 3.0%, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). This reversed the 0.5% decrease seen in the first quarter.
- Improved Consumer Spending: Consumer spending saw an increase of 1.4% in the second quarter, marking an improvement over the 0.5% seen in the first quarter. This suggests a renewed sense of consumer confidence and willingness to spend. The increase in consumer spending was seen in both goods and services, with healthcare, food services, accommodations, financial services, insurance, motor vehicles, parts, and pharmaceutical products being leading contributors.
- Positive Trade Balance Impact: A substantial decline in imports (30.3%), reversing a surge in Q1, contributed significantly to the GDP growth. While exports also declined (1.8%), the larger drop in imports positively impacted the overall trade balance.
- Solid Wage Growth: Compensation costs for civilian workers increased 0.9% on a quarterly basis and 3.6% over the year ending June 2025. Wages and salaries, a major component, rose 1.0% quarterly and 3.6% annually. Real (inflation-adjusted) wages and salaries increased by 0.8% annually, indicating workers are experiencing real gains in purchasing power.
- Stable and Low Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate remained within a narrow and historically low range of 4.0% to 4.2% over the past 14 months, settling at 4.1% in June 2025. This indicates a relatively healthy and tight labor market.
- Moderate Inflation: Headline and core inflation measures, particularly the PCE price index favored by the Federal Reserve, showed signs of moderation. Headline PCE inflation slowed to 2.3% over the year through May 2025, just above the Fed's 2% target. Core PCE inflation (excluding food and energy) also slowed compared to the first quarter.
- Growth Driven by Private Sector: Federal government spending declined for the second consecutive quarter, suggesting that the Q2 growth is being fueled by the private sector, specifically consumer spending and business investment, rather than government stimulus.
- Strong Household Finances: Total household assets increased by 3.5% ($6.4 trillion) over the year ending in Q1 2025, driven by gains in the value of corporate equities. Stock markets have reached new record highs, and home prices remain strong, providing a solid foundation for continued consumer spending, particularly for middle- and high-income households.
You need to post your source. Thanks
When numbers are constantly way off...there is a problem...obviously.
They are the BEA's ( Bureau of Economic Analysis) numbers, as stated in the post.
We have significant history of botched reports, not the least of which led to a revision of nearly million jobs, just last year....etc...etc..