The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

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Ghost of Watermark said:
that's REALLY fucked up, and it scares me that it seems one doesn't have to search very far for anecdotal stories about this stuff. I bet it's more common than people think. (though I don't know HOW common)

Yeah, people will do a lot of crazy shit to keep their kids. Doesn't surprise me.
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She was sharing custody with the ex. She had remarried and had a child with the 2nd husband but couldn't get past the bitter divorce. To make it worse, she worked in social services and knew how to write a complaint and the 2nd husband was willing to go along with it. I broke off contact with them so I don't know what happened in the end.
 
christiefan915 said:
Bleak House. The title perfectly describes my mood after this crappy polar weather and all the aggro it caused me.
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Well, the beginning is better than anything Woody Allen ever managed. As a British person I feel very bothered about discussing legal matters outside court, incidentally, since we have got away from Chancery and - unless the tories destroy it - have a system of justice.
 
Big Money said:
Hmm. "Behavior" appears twice in Bleak House, doesn't it? What edition do you have that uses the Anglicized spelling?
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Signet Classics 2003 edition. MUST you be so nit-picky?

I haven't even gotten to the first instance if what you're saying is true. Are you a human computer by any chance?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Yet Samantha Geimer says that he is the real victim, given a choice I would go along with her. I don't disagree that what he did was pretty sleazy but if she is prepared to forgive and what's more is in regular contact with him. What purpose, other than revenge, does it serve to pursue him after all this time?

I might also point out that her mother has a fair degree of culpability as well. How else can you explain her giving permission by telephone for her daughter to be photographed in a jacuzzi unchaperoned?

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/...ed-13-Roman-Polanski-say-hes-real-victim.html
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I think the mother has even more culpability than Polanski for pimping out her daughter like that. There must have been money involved, what kind of slag would do that to her child? And I really don't understand Geimer's comment that Polanski is the real victim, it boggle my mind. It sounds like she was never deprogrammed from the brainwashing she got.

And if this really is her opinion it offends me that she gets on a public stage and for all intents and purposes excuses Polanski's depravity. This isn't the kind of message to be sending about pedophiles. There has to be a money trail, that's all I can figure out.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I wasn't talking about Polanski so that's a red herring. I want to know how you can say that Zimmerman was found innocent because of lack of evidence yet have such certainty about a matter that didn't even go to trial, that is bloody hypocritical to my mind.
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But I was talking about polanski when I referenced cutting his balls off and cramming them down his throat. Then you asked how I could say that given Zimmerman's case. To which I responded he was guilty.

All of the evidence in the Zimmerman case pointed to his being attacked by Martin. That is enough of a reasonable doubt.

In the case of Woody Allen, you have his history with Soon-Yi, his comments that Darla highlighted and the word of three women... in defense of Woody Allen... Woody Allen.
 
Darla said:
Sorry Christie, this was not "sleazy", nor is it a tough call.

WHat polanski did would have been rape even if the victim had been 30.

She said no.

As it is, he fed a 13 yo child qualudes and then raped her vaginally, orally, and anally. Each time she said no no no, I don't want to do this, no please no.

That's rape. Now as every rapist's friend Tom points out, no one died.

I bet Tom wouldn't be so cavilier if someone did that to one of his son's.

But this was just a bitch, and that's what all their holes are for.

However, let's be clear on exactly what happened here.
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The "tough call" for me is whether or not the victim should forgive her offender. Some people think it helps them have closure. I couldn't do it myself. Of course Polanski is a pedo and a rapist, I never once defended his actions. And the whole affair is sleazy from beginning to end, starting with Polanski's thing for young girls and ending with him eluding the authorities and going on to live the celebrity lifestyle. His fans and apologists never stopped seeing his films or giving him awards while turning a blind eye to his crimes. And don't forget, follow the money. If he's making money for people they're willing to excuse plenty in order to keep him filling their pockets.

I still say Sleazy with a capital "S".
 
christiefan915 said:
IMO another really bad thing about Polanski is that the victim went public as an adult and stated he shouldn't be punished for what he did.
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Superfreak said:
I would still castrate him and make him choke on his balls... but that is just me.
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Aoxomoxoa said:
I must say I have lost a lot of respect for you, how can you act as an armchair judge and yet pontificate about Zimmerman is beyond my ken?
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Superfreak said:
He was FOUND GUILTY.
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Aoxomoxoa said:
Who was found guilty?
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Superfreak said:
Polanski pleaded guilty, then he ran away to Europe before he could be sentenced.
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Aoxomoxoa said:
I wasn't talking about Polanski so that's a red herring. I want to know how you can say that Zimmerman was found innocent because of lack of evidence yet have such certainty about a matter that didn't even go to trial, that is bloody hypocritical to my mind.
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Now Tom... tell me again about the red herring. The above is the conversation I was having with Christie, then you entered. Tell me again about the 'red herring'.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
He ran away because he thought that he was going to be stitched up by the courts and he was right.
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Yeah... because he was GUILTY OF RAPING A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL. Of course he was going to get hammered by the courts at sentencing. Not to mention getting hammered in prison.
 
Superfreak said:
Yeah... because he was GUILTY OF RAPING A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL. Of course he was going to get hammered by the courts at sentencing. Not to mention getting hammered in prison.
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YEH I KNOW, SAVE YOUR CONDESCENSION FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. So apparently your concern for rape victims doesn't apply to anyone in prison, I suppose that doesn't count, bloody hypocrite.


In March 1977, film director Roman Polanski was arrested and charged in Los Angeles with five offenses against Samantha Gailey, a 13-year-old girl[SUP][1][/SUP] – rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance to a minor.[SUP][2][/SUP] At his arraignment Polanski pleaded not guilty to all charges,[SUP][3][/SUP] but later accepted a plea bargain whose terms included dismissal of the five initial charges[SUP][4][/SUP] in exchange for a guilty plea to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5]
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Polanski underwent a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation,[SUP][6][/SUP] and a report was submitted to the court recommending probation.[SUP][7][/SUP] However, upon learning that he was likely to face imprisonment and deportation,[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] Polanski fled to France in February 1978, hours before he was to be formally sentenced.[SUP][9][/SUP] Since then Polanski has mostly lived in France and avoided visiting countries likely to extradite him to the United States.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
YEH I KNOW, SAVE YOUR CONDESCENSION FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. So apparently your concern for rape victims doesn't apply to anyone in prison, I suppose that doesn't count.
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Are you fucking serious? He RAPED the girl and your concern is that I am not as worried about convicted felons as I am innocent kids?
 
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