I don't believe it...I accept it.
You are refusing to accept it because that would mean your argument is masturbation...and you don't want to give anyone the satisfaction of admitting it. So you figuratively jerk off.
The solution for healthcare that will never be instituted
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I don't believe it...I accept it.
You are refusing to accept it because that would mean your argument is masturbation...and you don't want to give anyone the satisfaction of admitting it. So you figuratively jerk off.
Robo
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It's so wonderful that you have taken unto yourself the right to speak for me. I'll wait for you to present my quotes that say what you think I said!!!
Robo
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Typical leftist debate tactic, insult and think somebody aside from another leftist thinks your smart and cute. Carry on friend!!!
I'm repeating your bullshit back to you.
That's all I'm doing.
You want out-of-state insurance plans to violate the sovereignty of state-regulated markets that you simultaneously argue for.
You haven't given your position much thought.
Stop being a victim.
The only thing you are a victim of is your poor judgment, ignorance, and bad instincts.
You want an Anthem insurance plan, regulated by California, to be sold in Tennessee, but you want to make it so that CA insurance plan doesn't have to abide by TN's state-based regulations. The only way to do that is to impose a federal rule that allows the CA plan to override TN's market regulations.
So your argument is anti-10th Amendment.
Robo
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Yeah! That's why Florida has a tremendous population of New York retirees, huh? It's just the weather, right?
Yup.
On this issue...you have blown him out of the water.
But he just cannot acknowledge it.
Poor guy.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Robo,
I don't know. I thought it was because of the weather.
Most grandmothers I know don't want to live far away from their grandchildren.
Many people who retire to Florida actually have more than one residence. They are so rich they don't have to worry about taxes. Paying taxes does not affect their lifestyle.
Come to think of it, whose lifestyle is EVER affected by paying taxes?
I never heard of taxing making a rich man poor.
I don't know. I thought it was because of the weather.
Most grandmothers I know don't want to live far away from their grandchildren.
Many people who retire to Florida actually have more than one residence. They are so rich they don't have to worry about taxes. Paying taxes does not affect their lifestyle.
Come to think of it, whose lifestyle is EVER affected by paying taxes?
I never heard of taxing making a rich man poor.
Robo
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And the rest move there solely for the weather, right? And while New York and California are losing tax paying residents Texas and most of the rest of the south are gaining their transplants because?
Robo
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For more than half a century, advocates for a government-run, single-payer approach to health care coverage have touted its potential. With debate over the Affordable Care Act heating up by the day, progressives, both at the state and federal levels are now pushing anew to move to some form of this system. Most recently, the California Legislature introduced a bill to accomplish this, although without any details of how it would work.
On the surface, the arguments sound reasonable. Cut out the middleman — the insurance company — and use the savings to provide universal coverage at lower cost. Yet all attempts in the United States to implement this concept have failed. For example, Vermont made a serious run at a state-based, single-payer system — only to see it abandoned after only three years, due to major cost increases and the need to dramatically raise taxes to fund the expense.
In practice, a single-payer system would cost more than the most efficient and effective programs that exist today, all while compromising access and, over time, quality. https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2017/03/3-myths-single-payer-system-doomed-fail.html
Why A Single Payer Health Care System Is a Really Bad Idea
www.newsweek.com/why-single-payer-health-care...
The failure of single-payer health care to innovate is then complicated by the impossible constraint whereby people do not have to pay for any of the health care they get.
Pacific Research Institute | Socialized medicine a global failure
www.pacificresearch.org/socialized-medicine-a...
Socialized medicine a global failure. ... Single-payer health care is back in the news. ... Swedish residents have gravitated toward private insurance to avoid the ..
Why single payer health care is a terrible option (Opinion ...
www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/opinions/single-payer...
Despite its decades of documented failure in Western Europe, single-payer health care has newfound among support Democrats -- and it could come at great cost to the American people, writes Scott W ...
Canada’s Single-Payer Health Care System: A Cautionary Tale ...
www.nationalreview.com/2017/04/canada-single...
Before America adopts single-payer health care, legislators should consider the failures of that model in Canada. ... who manage their health-insurance monopoly and transfer funds to the local ...
On the surface, the arguments sound reasonable. Cut out the middleman — the insurance company — and use the savings to provide universal coverage at lower cost. Yet all attempts in the United States to implement this concept have failed. For example, Vermont made a serious run at a state-based, single-payer system — only to see it abandoned after only three years, due to major cost increases and the need to dramatically raise taxes to fund the expense.
In practice, a single-payer system would cost more than the most efficient and effective programs that exist today, all while compromising access and, over time, quality. https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2017/03/3-myths-single-payer-system-doomed-fail.html
Why A Single Payer Health Care System Is a Really Bad Idea
www.newsweek.com/why-single-payer-health-care...
The failure of single-payer health care to innovate is then complicated by the impossible constraint whereby people do not have to pay for any of the health care they get.
Pacific Research Institute | Socialized medicine a global failure
www.pacificresearch.org/socialized-medicine-a...
Socialized medicine a global failure. ... Single-payer health care is back in the news. ... Swedish residents have gravitated toward private insurance to avoid the ..
Why single payer health care is a terrible option (Opinion ...
www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/opinions/single-payer...
Despite its decades of documented failure in Western Europe, single-payer health care has newfound among support Democrats -- and it could come at great cost to the American people, writes Scott W ...
Canada’s Single-Payer Health Care System: A Cautionary Tale ...
www.nationalreview.com/2017/04/canada-single...
Before America adopts single-payer health care, legislators should consider the failures of that model in Canada. ... who manage their health-insurance monopoly and transfer funds to the local ...
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Robo,
I believe it is usually for a variety of reasons. I believe family or job is the number one main reason for relocation. Shall we look it up? I'll admit it if I was wrong.
I believe it is usually for a variety of reasons. I believe family or job is the number one main reason for relocation. Shall we look it up? I'll admit it if I was wrong.
yeah, the two biggest population states in the union. What states lost population last year? Well, northern states like Mississippi, Lousiana, Wyoming, Alaska, and Hawaii. Who gained those southern states like Colorado, Washington, Arizona, Utah, Idaho. Do some fucking homework before you post. Notrth and South Carolina and Florida are not the whole south.. There is no exodus to the southern states.
Among the many reasons are 1. looking for a life change
2. New job
3 Spouse got a new job
4. Higher education opportunity
5. Retirement.
Winter is fun when you are a kid. It is a pain in the ass when you are old.
Yeah...the entire industrialized world can do it...can work it out so EVERYONE is covered and at less cost...
...but Americans are too stupid for it to work.
Do you puppets even listen to yourselves?
What a bunch of horse shit!
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Robo,
You know, for any disputed issue where great amounts of money are at stake you can find well written opinions and cherry picked data to make a very convincing case for each side.
Look at history. We got close to a real solution after President Obama, who during his first few months in office was far more popular than President Trump (Obama had actual real mathematical national majority approval, something President Trump has never had,) opened up the debate and allowed Congress to try to work out a plausible approach for reducing the spiraling costs of health care, and providing options to the neediest cases coldly dropped by for-profit insurance, left to die on their own with no coverage for pre-existing conditions. No big wealth? No treatment. It was terrifying to the public, many of whom went bankrupt due to a major health event in their life. During this period, one of the ideas widely talked about was the so-called 'Public Option.'
Under the Public Option, the government would run a not-for-profit insurance service which would compete with the capitalist for-profit insurance companies. The Public would have the Option of using the government insurance service if they preferred.
This idea so terrified the capitalist for-profit insurance industry that they not only strongly opposed the idea, they flexed their muscle to kill it. They dictated their ultimatum to President Obama: "We have put together $150 million to get what we want. We want a market with no such competition. We will support the ACA with that $150 million as long as there is no Public Option. Either take the Public Option off the table OR we will spend that $150 million to oppose the ACA." 'You want choice? There's your choice. We will be the ones to TELL YOU what your options are.'
That says so much more than any opinion piece. The implication is stark. The Insurance Industry realized that the middle man money-shuffling operation they perform is so easy to do that if the government competed directly with them, without the burden of having to turn a profit, that the government would be able to offer insurance for a lower price than the profit-takers.
Despite whatever you may be predisposed to want to believe, no matter what information you find to support that, this overrides all of that. Actions speak louder than words. The action of the Insurance Industry was to throw very big money at killing the debate over whether to even have a Government Public Option, or let the public choose whatever they prefer. The for-profit Insurance Industry made that choice for the public, and they made it in their own favor. That's the swamp, right there. That's the super-rich throwing big money at the government to keep their cash cow producing FOR THEM, not for We, The People.
So much for the free market.
That's not the free market.
That's called a rigged system.
You know, for any disputed issue where great amounts of money are at stake you can find well written opinions and cherry picked data to make a very convincing case for each side.
Look at history. We got close to a real solution after President Obama, who during his first few months in office was far more popular than President Trump (Obama had actual real mathematical national majority approval, something President Trump has never had,) opened up the debate and allowed Congress to try to work out a plausible approach for reducing the spiraling costs of health care, and providing options to the neediest cases coldly dropped by for-profit insurance, left to die on their own with no coverage for pre-existing conditions. No big wealth? No treatment. It was terrifying to the public, many of whom went bankrupt due to a major health event in their life. During this period, one of the ideas widely talked about was the so-called 'Public Option.'
Under the Public Option, the government would run a not-for-profit insurance service which would compete with the capitalist for-profit insurance companies. The Public would have the Option of using the government insurance service if they preferred.
This idea so terrified the capitalist for-profit insurance industry that they not only strongly opposed the idea, they flexed their muscle to kill it. They dictated their ultimatum to President Obama: "We have put together $150 million to get what we want. We want a market with no such competition. We will support the ACA with that $150 million as long as there is no Public Option. Either take the Public Option off the table OR we will spend that $150 million to oppose the ACA." 'You want choice? There's your choice. We will be the ones to TELL YOU what your options are.'
That says so much more than any opinion piece. The implication is stark. The Insurance Industry realized that the middle man money-shuffling operation they perform is so easy to do that if the government competed directly with them, without the burden of having to turn a profit, that the government would be able to offer insurance for a lower price than the profit-takers.
Despite whatever you may be predisposed to want to believe, no matter what information you find to support that, this overrides all of that. Actions speak louder than words. The action of the Insurance Industry was to throw very big money at killing the debate over whether to even have a Government Public Option, or let the public choose whatever they prefer. The for-profit Insurance Industry made that choice for the public, and they made it in their own favor. That's the swamp, right there. That's the super-rich throwing big money at the government to keep their cash cow producing FOR THEM, not for We, The People.
So much for the free market.
That's not the free market.
That's called a rigged system.
Robo
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And the lower tax rates are only a coincidence, right? Me thinks you're in a vicious state of denial!!!!!
You are back to making "methinks" two words, Robo.
I've schooled you on that.
It is a pretentious grammatical structure at best. Don't make your pretentiousness worse with that mistake.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Robo,
So, you have no interest in actually learning the results of studies intended to learn why people relocate?
The right-wing spin propaganda narrative is that much more appealing than reality?
So, you have no interest in actually learning the results of studies intended to learn why people relocate?
The right-wing spin propaganda narrative is that much more appealing than reality?
Robo
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I never dispute that America's health INSURANCE system sucks!!!! The fallacy that America's health CARE is at the bottom of the list in the industrialized world is a myth! People come from all over the world for America's healthCARE expertise. We have some of the best and most respected hospitals on planet earth and some of the world's best doctors and health scientist and researchers anywhere.
Obamacare is unconstitutional regardless of what the Supreme court says. The Court is not automatically right. The Court simply has the Constitutional power to affirm or deny the written law's constitutionality. Therefore they simply have the power to confirm both constitutional law and unconstitutional law as being constitutional. Any rational reading of amendment 10 to our Constitution makes it perfectly clear, (at least to me), that every federal program NOT authorized by the Constitution is unconstitutional. Furthermore, I can, if you wish, present quotes by both Jefferson and Madison to back me up.
The propaganda spread about by the UN's World Health Organization about America's healthcare system is purely leftist influenced propaganda.
Robo
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As far as I'm concerned you're perfectly free to post any research you like, I'll wait for it!!! I'm always willing and intent on learning something I don't already know except when it's clear it's tainted by biased propaganda.