The 'shrill' smear against Hillary Clinton

That's has more to do with perceived authenticity in Hillary's case but it's not exactly an issue that gets discussed.

She's not the best campaigner or best speaker. It's definitely a reason why she's struggled in national campaigns. I don't know what else to say. You can consider it sexist but again it's Democrats who haven't voted for her.

She's a terrible campaigner and she's a terrible person.

Her campaign's use of two old white women who say things like "there's a special place in hell for women who won't vote for Hillary" (Albright) and "young women vote for Bernie because of what boys are doing" (Steinem) is stupidity on steroids.
 
She's a terrible campaigner and she's a terrible person.

Her campaign's use of two old white women who say things like "there's a special place in hell for women who won't vote for Hillary" (Albright) and "young women vote for Bernie because of what boys are doing" (Steinem) is stupidity on steroids.

You're showing yourself to be sexist and ageist. Bet you voted for reagan, Bush Sr. and McCain, though.
 
That's what Bill used to say.
I supported Hillary in '08. I thought she was best qualified -she is still probably most knowlegable .But her judgement is awful.
She's an innate interventionist where intervention is the worst move -Libya, Iraq, and she was for sanctions on Egypt after the Morsi coupe.
Foreign policy is supposed to be her forte' - she's been shown to be wrong and incapable of learning from her mistakes.
She is still defending Libya as "smart power".

PS her "down south" voice is an affectation, not any real accent
 
Christie, what is your take on Albright's and Steinman's quotes?

I don't like Steinem's comment. But Albright has used that line before so she didn't just pull it out for Hillary.

"Madeleine Albright criticized women who think electing Sanders would create a political revolution."We can tell our story of how we climbed the ladder, and a lot of you younger women think it’s done. It’s not done,” she said, before reciting a line that has become her trademark: “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”

STEINEM: When you're young, you're thinking, you know, where are the boys? The boys are with Bernie. Or you know –
MAHER: Ooh, now, if I said that –
STEINEM: No, no, no.
MAHER: “Yeah, they’re for Bernie because that's where the boys are at.” You’d f*****g swat me, come on.
 
How about (the now-suspended) Fiorina using gender language in her speeches?

“I fought my way to the top of corporate America while being called every B word in the book,” she said in her opening statement, after a mention of surviving breast cancer. (Twitter promptly offered a list of all the b-words it could think of.)

Most brazenly of all, Fiorina quoted a conservative leader to make a specifically gendered appeal: “I’ll just add that Margaret Thatcher once said, ‘If you want something talked about, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman.‘ “

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carly-fiorina-tries-more-gendered-pitch
 
While I get your point, prior to TV, tone of voice was factor in electing a President. With TV... Kennedy showed that appearance and body language also impacted the polls along with tone.

We all have preconceptions when it comes to tone/accents etc... Some we respond to positively and some negatively. It varies by individual.

While tone won't necessarily win an election for a person, it can certainly lose it for one.

Frankly, I can't even imagine anybody so weak-minded as to be influenced by a politician's tone of voice , body language or mode of dress. I'd vote for a paralysed mute hunchback in a sack if he spelled out the policies I view as being essential.
 
If any man out there running for office shouted every single speech he would be mercilessly mocked for an eternity. One day, only one, of screaming killed a D male's attempt to run for this office. She's been babied... kid gloves. She's been incredibly kindly treated and the most likely reason for it is she is a woman.
 
I lived in Boston for nine months. I HATED both men AND women's voices from the locals. The ca-hhh or ba-hhh sounds, instead of using an r made me want to kill myself. Had a guy in my office whose daughter's name was Samantha, he pronounced it Samanth-er. I was like WTF?

Nothing sexist complaining about shitty accents.

F You Grind. Don't groan me because you and 'your people' suck at speaking the English language.
 
Check your sexism at the door, boys. We're on to you.

"When I heard the legendary journalist Bob Woodward's analysis of Hillary Clinton's [debate] performance, I was taken back to a moment in my career many years ago when a top CNN executive (who no longer works there) explained that for on-air delivery to resonate as authoritative and credible it should come in a low tone. In other words, only a man's voice sounds like it tells important truths. Woodward, in case you haven't heard, brought his decades of expertise to the MSNBC show "Morning Joe" to shed light on the difficulties faced by the once-undisputed Democratic front-runner. He opined "a lot of it, with Hillary Clinton has to do with style and delivery, oddly enough." Then he explained, "She shouts. There is something unrelaxed about the way she is communicating and I think it just jumps."And, despite valiant efforts by Cokie Roberts to note people raise their voices in political rallies, Woodward persisted. "I'm sorry to dwell on the tone issue," he said thoughtfully, "but there is something here where Hillary Clinton suggests that she's almost not comfortable with herself."

Let's give them credit at least for not calling her "shrill." That's because the word shrill has become a cliché for sexist commentary. In the political comedy "Veep," when someone uses the word shrill, women knowingly roll their eyes. It turns out that women's tone of voice, something they have limited control over, is routinely brandished against them in politics and business, a charge that is a few steps away from criticizing their choice of chromosomes...

That there is sexism in politics, in business, in the world, is beyond dispute. But in this particular case there is an overarching risk, a cautionary message for voters. Sure, sexist attitudes are a problem for women. But here they are a problem for all Americans deciding who should become president. Instead of discussing what truly matters, the experts are talking about Clinton's tone of voice. And that is just one of the distractions along this well-trod path...

During Thursday's debate, The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza called her "Hyper aggressive." Another debate review, in The New York Times, contrasted her and her opponent, saying Bernie Sanders "kept his cool in the debate," while Clinton appeared "tense and even angry at times." The truth is they were both heated and intense, which was fitting. The Times' comparison was absurd...

Men may not recognize the problem. Women surely do. A survey of women professionals in the San Francisco area found 84% had been told they were too aggressive, and 53% had been told they were "too quiet." Many women had been accused of both...

The same arguments used to criticize Clinton (and millions of women who are trying to advance) are seen as attributes for men. When Sanders shouts, it is because he is angry at the injustice in America, because he cares so much. In her case, it is a character flaw.

Women face maddening competing expectations. They must be empathetic, nurturing, "likable." But if they are, they risk being accused of lacking leadership qualities and strength. If they're strong, they are accused of being cold and calculating. Imagine under these circumstances a woman trying to become president without calculating...

The more important challenge is for voters to keep sexism from tainting their judgment. When you notice the absurd, the irrelevant commentary based on sexist standards, change the channel, ignore, unfollow, call it out. The job of voters is to look beyond, to the policy ideas, to the temperament, to the intelligence, to the qualifications. Tone of voice does not rank among the first 10 million traits that matter in choosing a president. And, by the way, it doesn't make a journalist any more knowledgeable or trustworthy.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/08/opinions/hillary-clinton-sexism-ghitis/index.html
Nothing new, Margaret Thatcher was trained to lower her voice a half octave because she sounded too shrill especially on TV.
 
Frankly, I can't even imagine anybody so weak-minded as to be influenced by a politician's tone of voice , body language or mode of dress. I'd vote for a paralysed mute hunchback in a sack if he spelled out the policies I view as being essential.

Yet a large percentage of our population does vote that way. Keep in mind the majority are not politically astute, they do not follow along with what occurs in DC.
 
and super decides by denying science, math and history

Let me guess, you will now provide evidence that I have done the above? Show us evidence to back your claim.

Otherwise we will assume you are lying... AGAIN.

What math have I denied?

What history have I denied?

What science have I denied?

Give us an example of each... or admit you LIED.
 
Yet a large percentage of our population does vote that way. Keep in mind the majority are not politically astute, they do not follow along with what occurs in DC.

I'm a fan of e-Democracy. The integrity of it was laid down years ago by David Chaum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
In its purer form there would be no need for ' representatives '- who rarely represent us anyway.
People would vote for policies rather than personalities. Further, they would vote far more frequently than once every four years. A weekly scout around the e-political environment and some votes for what you believe in would soon take care of local government. National comes later.
Guess who would oppose it ?
 
economic policy

black history


election history

GW science

you lie right into the face of facts super duper
 
I'm a fan of e-Democracy. The integrity of it was laid down years ago by David Chaum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
In its purer form there would be no need for ' representatives '- who rarely represent us anyway.
People would vote for policies rather than personalities. Further, they would vote far more frequently than once every four years. A weekly scout around the e-political environment and some votes for what you believe in would soon take care of local government. National comes later.
Guess who would oppose it ?

who counts them
 
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