The Secular Case Against Gay Marriage

Damn Yankee said:
Oh look, more attacks on a messenger. Now attack these, dumbass.

(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE
(8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992
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If you use links to debunked publications, pointing out the flaws in your argument is easy. I am not attacking the messenger. I am providing information on the quality of the references used. All have been very low.


And none of it is relevant to the OP.
 
You can use google to find your own links, but you'd rather not prove yourself wrong. However, the onus is now on you. Since the OP topic is gay marriage, and kids are an integral part of marriage, the link between gay and pedophilia is very much applicable, Dumbass.
 
Damn Yankee said:
You can use google to find your own links, but you'd rather not prove yourself wrong. However, the onus is now on you. Since the OP topic is gay marriage, and kids are an integral part of marriage, the link between gay and pedophilia is very much applicable, Dumbass.
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No dumbass, it is not. On the one hand you and your ilk have claimed gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because they can't have children. Now you want to claim they can't get married because they are pedophiles.

Much of the research you have quoted is pure bullshit. And the fact that straight pedophiles are allowed to marry tells me you are far more concerned about slamming gays than about protecting children. But since gay couples usually have to adopt children, and the adoption process is supposed to weed out pedophiles, you have no case.

Most of the studies you have quoted have been debunked repeatedly. When pedophilia is a justification for not allowing straights to marry, you can use it against gay pedophiles. But since there is no rule or law barring straight pedophiles from marrying, your claim is just another sign of your hypocrisy.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Since the OP topic is gay marriage, and kids are an integral part of marriage, the link between gay and pedophilia is very much applicable, Dumbass.
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So kids are an integral part of marriage?

I did use Google to find an interesting piece of info:

"I then became aware of some striking statistics. According to 2004 U.S. Census Bureau data, the proportion of childless women 15 to 44 years old was 44.6 percent, up from 35 percent in 1976. The higher a woman's income, I learned from another study, the less likely she is to have children: Nearly half of women with annual incomes over $100,000 are childless."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/24/AR2006112400986.html
 
This thread is, like, really amazing.

If this 2011 calender, featuring vegetables that look like film stars, wasn't hanging on the wall in front of me i'd swear i really was in the 19th Century.
 
Straight peds should be in jail, not married. What a silly strawman.

Show where this research has been debunked previously.

The fact that liberal society has degraded marriage is not a case for more liberalism in society.

And get your own insult, Dumbass.
 
Beware The Battle-Cattle said:
No, it still hasn't been the same. Interracial marriage, for example, has been banned in the past. Certainly not the same definition.
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lol.....miscegenation laws prohibited cross racial marriages BECAUSE it met the definition of marriage and those that opposed it had to pass laws to prevent it......the opposite is true for gay marriage.......it does NOT meet the definition of marriage and the law need to change the definition before it would be possible.....
 
my take on the pedophilia issue is this.......pedophilia is not a sexual act, it is an act of abuse......quite frequently it is engaged in by people who were themselves abused as a child......I suspect that statistically, children that exhibited homosexual tendencies at an early age were more likely to have been abused by parents who felt threatened by that.......thus, a higher percentage of pedophiles among those identified as homosexual.......
 
Damn Yankee said:
Straight peds should be in jail, not married. What a silly strawman.

Show where this research has been debunked previously.

The fact that liberal society has degraded marriage is not a case for more liberalism in society.

And get your own insult, Dumbass.
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Have you not bothered to even look at the links I provided? All of Paul Cameron's studies are a joke.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Straight peds should be in jail, not married. What a silly strawman.
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So you think every straight pedophile is on jail for life? lol

Straight pedos get prison sentences and get out. Maybe you dislike that, but the fact is that they are allowed to marry when they are in prison or out of it.


No strawman, Dumbass.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
my take on the pedophilia issue is this.......pedophilia is not a sexual act, it is an act of abuse......quite frequently it is engaged in by people who were themselves abused as a child......I suspect that statistically, children that exhibited homosexual tendencies at an early age were more likely to have been abused by parents who felt threatened by that.......thus, a higher percentage of pedophiles among those identified as homosexual.......
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That is likely to be true. Another possible factor is that gays, especially male gays, tend to look for sexual activity that is outside the norm, and pedophilia meets that definition.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Since Solitary has nothing more to add aside from continued attacks on the messenger and straw men...
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:rofl: Whats wrong, SM? Can't find anything but shit from Paul Cameron and his ilk?

It is not attacking the messenger when it is the truth. :)
 
Notwithstanding your spurious attacks on one messenger, here's others:

(8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992
 
Damn Yankee said:
Notwithstanding your spurious attacks on one messenger, here's others:

(8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA


LOL youre using this as a source?????
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Fields.asp?xpicked=2&item=Fields

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Born in 1932, Edward R. Fields became active in the nascent neo-Nazi movement while a teenager in Atlanta. Born of Catholic parents, he was barely of high school age when he joined the Columbians, described by the California Attorney General as a "fascist stormtrooper group... [and] para-military combat group that actively plotted a takeover of the state of Georgia." 1 In a raid of the group, which was considered subversive by the Justice Department, members were discovered with a cache of arms and explosives and a list of people to be "exterminated." Fields was not linked to the plot, though he and others formed a committee to lobby for the release from prison of the group's leader.


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In 1952, not yet twenty, Fields joined J.B. Stoner's Christian Anti-Jewish Party, whose aim was 'to make being Jewish a crime, punishable by death.'
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In 1952, still shy of twenty, he met the flamboyant racist J.B. Stoner while the two were attending law school in Atlanta, and joined Stoner's Christian Anti-Jewish Party (formerly the Stoner Anti-Jewish Party), a very small mass-mailing outfit in Atlanta. Stoner said he founded the organization to "out-Hitler Hitler," whom he called a "moderate"; his aim was "to make being Jewish a crime, punishable by death."



IT FIGURES YOU WOULD THINK THIS IS A RELIABLE SOURCE
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Southern Chicken said:
(8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA


LOL youre using this as a source?????
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Fields.asp?xpicked=2&item=Fields

Beginning
Born in 1932, Edward R. Fields became active in the nascent neo-Nazi movement while a teenager in Atlanta. Born of Catholic parents, he was barely of high school age when he joined the Columbians, described by the California Attorney General as a "fascist stormtrooper group... [and] para-military combat group that actively plotted a takeover of the state of Georgia." 1 In a raid of the group, which was considered subversive by the Justice Department, members were discovered with a cache of arms and explosives and a list of people to be "exterminated." Fields was not linked to the plot, though he and others formed a committee to lobby for the release from prison of the group's leader.


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In 1952, not yet twenty, Fields joined J.B. Stoner's Christian Anti-Jewish Party, whose aim was 'to make being Jewish a crime, punishable by death.'
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In 1952, still shy of twenty, he met the flamboyant racist J.B. Stoner while the two were attending law school in Atlanta, and joined Stoner's Christian Anti-Jewish Party (formerly the Stoner Anti-Jewish Party), a very small mass-mailing outfit in Atlanta. Stoner said he founded the organization to "out-Hitler Hitler," whom he called a "moderate"; his aim was "to make being Jewish a crime, punishable by death."



IT FIGURES YOU WOULD THINK THIS IS A RELIABLE SOURCE
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Oh look, more attacks on messengers. I would attack your sources if you had any to dispute mine, and if it was a legitimate debate tactic, but neither situation applies.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Notwithstanding your spurious attacks on one messenger, here's others:

(8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992
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Psychological Reports is a magazine in which the author pays to have the article published. Little or no peer-review is attached to any article there.
 
From the Gay Report:

The authors state: "While it should be obvious by now to any straight reader that gay people's lives are not without problems, it should be just as obvious that these problems are not necessarily more overwhelming than the problems that straight people have to solve - just different" (p. 771)."



This study showed some issues in the minority of the gay population, but still no reason for banning gay marriage, SM.


You are better off sticking with your "its not normal, moral, healthy or whatever".

The upside to this debate is that you can't very well claim you don't dislike gays any longer, no can you.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Oh look, more attacks on messengers. I would attack your sources if you had any to dispute mine, and if it was a legitimate debate tactic, but neither situation applies.
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Still angry that you cannot just throw out the remarks of hate-mongers and have them be accepted?
 
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