The real truth about being Pro Life

The Zax said:
it is a good compromise, but at the same time it sort of undermines the core argument of pro-choicers, in that a women has absolute rights over what goes on in her body. Clearly, this is not the case if we draw the line somewhere. The question is, is it acceptable to draw that line when one has ample time to exercise their choice?
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I don't have much patience for hard-liners on either side. It's an issue that demands compromise, imo - I think both sides have valid points, but once you dig in and start seeing it as a black & white issue, you've basically conceded that it's just too much for you to handle mentally. I think the answer to the question you pose is a resounding yes.
 
Stretch said:
Plus, I fully believe that a woman (or man) can do whatever he or she wants to do with it. Let it live or kill it.

The baby has its own DNA and is a separate life. And, we should not murder another's life. God begins all life from a seed with the intention of that life to grow and mature through time in a womb, a shell, a pouch, etc. without direct deliberate interference by man. It's the simplest basic concept of all recorded time. Even instinct-driven animals do not intentionally attempt to destroy that pre-birth life. Only man could complicate and question whether to protect or destroy that life.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
Romans 1:22
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Wars kill life. Predators kill life. Natural calamities kill life. And a million other things - many of which are "interference by man" - all of which God allows.

There really isn't anything in the Bible to support either position. If you want to bring religion & spirituality into it, you'll get 1,000 takes on it, just like any other issue where everyone interprets scriptures & teachings according to their own POV and agenda.
 
Thing1 said:
Wars kill life. Predators kill life. Natural calamities kill life. And a million other things - many of which are "interference by man" - all of which God allows.

There really isn't anything in the Bible to support either position. If you want to bring religion & spirituality into it, you'll get 1,000 takes on it, just like any other issue where everyone interprets scriptures & teachings according to their own POV and agenda.
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Of course he allows it. Who said he did not? Man will do what man will do. We will face the consequences of our decisions. All I've done is show what his Word says. Make your own choice and be satisfied with how God responds to that choice. We are all going to die from this earth one day. That's one commonality. The decision is to die eternally in his hands and by his hands. In his love or by his jugement.
 
Thing1 said:
A bit extreme, but I agree w/ your general outlook on this topic.

It's a no brainer early on, literally - no brain, brain stem, consciousness, awareness, etc. etc. A clump of cells is not a human being w/ full rights, and it is not "murder" by any stretch to end the development of that clump of cells.

It obviously becomes a lot murkier as the fetus develops, and questions of viability will always change as medical technology develops. I always see the 1st trimester allowance as being a pretty elegant and solid compromise. It gives women plenty of time to exercise their right over their own body, and acknowledges the growing complexity of the discussion as the pregnancy progresses.

I don't know how people can bring discussions of a "soul" into it. That's purely religious/spiritual, and has no place in a discussion about secular rights.
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Yet, as Stretch provided, destroy an eagle egg which has just been laid, something where what's inside has no brain, brain stem, or consciousness, etc. and you'll get fined, prison time, or both.
 
Stretch said:
Of course he allows it. Who said he did not? Man will do what man will do. We will face the consequences of our decisions. All I've done is show what his Word says. Make your own choice and be satisfied with how God responds to that choice. We are all going to die from this earth one day. That's one commonality. The decision is to die eternally in his hands and by his hands. In his love or by his jugement.
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I can certainly respect your beliefs, but that's what they are - your beliefs. And this is why religion should stay out of these discussions.

You can follow your beliefs by refraining from abortion in your own life. Let others act according to established American law.
 
Stretch said:
Of course he allows it. Who said he did not? Man will do what man will do. We will face the consequences of our decisions. All I've done is show what his Word says. Make your own choice and be satisfied with how God responds to that choice. We are all going to die from this earth one day. That's one commonality. The decision is to die eternally in his hands and by his hands. In his love or by his jugement.
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The problem is people like Thingy won't be satisfied with how God responds to them for what they support. Thingy is the kind that would argue with God and say because I didn't agree, you shouldn't punish me.
 
Thing1 said:
I can certainly respect your beliefs, but that's what they are - your beliefs. And this is why religion should stay out of these discussions.

You can follow your beliefs by refraining from abortion in your own life. Let others act according to established American law.
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When are those that don't choose abortion then can't afford what they birthed going to start following the concept of personal responsibility no longer demanding that the rest of us fund the results of a choice they said was none of our business?

She can make her own choice but when she does, she gets to pay. If she can't, oh well, tough shit on her and her choice.
 
Thing1 said:
I can certainly respect your beliefs, but that's what they are - your beliefs. And this is why religion should stay out of these discussions.

You can follow your beliefs by refraining from abortion in your own life. Let others act according to established American law.
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The topic of this thread is about abortion. Should we be discussing something else?

As I said.......do what you want to do. Be the god of your own life.

Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. The world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God remains forever.
1 John 2: 15-17
 
Stretch said:
The topic of this thread is about abortion. Should we be discussing something else?

As I said.......do what you want to do. Be the god of your own life.

Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. The world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God remains forever.
1 John 2: 15-17
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I think Thingy considers himself holy.

He certainly is fond of pronouncing pontifically and pompously when he dons his persona of the High Oracle of Situational Selectivity (HOSS).

Let us pray for him, Sister Stretch.
 
The Zax said:
1. Your image doesn't offend or shock me. I watch videos of people getting their heads cut off with chainsaws on a lark. That said, you can't post NSFW images on JPP when people are reading through threads without warnings.

2. god doesn't exist, and neither does the soul. consciousness is an emergent property. I agree breathing air doesn't make a difference. For me it's the awareness of it's surroundings. At what stage does it become more aware than a pig, or a monkey? a 6 month year old is less conscious thana pig, which is estimated to have the intelligence of a 2 year old child. Truth be told, I don't think it's morally wrong to kill a child up to about 2 years of age for that reason. Maybe roll it back a year to be on the safe side tho.
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not safe for children either......
 
Thing1 said:
I don't know how people can bring discussions of a "soul" into it. That's purely religious/spiritual, and has no place in a discussion about secular rights.
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so if you are not religious you have no soul.......you also have no rhythm or rock and roll......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you have never had all the info.......yet here you are running off at the mouth anyway.......
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You're the perfect partisan, sneering, nasty con who holds women in disdain. If Murphy were a Democrat you'd believe any accusation against him. Because he's a hypocrite repub, the woman must be lying.

You don't fool anybody here.
 
christiefan915 said:
You're the perfect partisan, sneering, nasty con who holds women in disdain. If Murphy were a Democrat you'd believe any accusation against him. Because he's a hypocrite repub, the woman must be lying. You don't fool anybody here.
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You are a DEMOCRAT, and you do believe any accusation against him.

I'm not saying Shannon Edwards is lying.

I'm not saying she's telling the truth either. I need evidence before I condemn.

You don't, apparently, Christiecrite.

That's because you're everything you accused PostmodernProphet of being.

Isn't that true, Christiecrite?

Answer, Christiecrite.
 
Godless America said:
You are a DEMOCRAT, and you do believe any accusation against him.

I'm not saying Shannon Edwards is lying.

I'm not saying she's telling the truth either. I need evidence before I condemn.

You don't, apparently, Christiecrite.

That's because you're everything you accused PostmodernProphet of being.

Isn't that true, Christiecrite?

Answer, Christiecrite.
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The fact that you and Pimp are focusing entirely on Edwards tells me all I need to know about you two. Both of you cast doubts on her words and expect a standard of proof from her that you don't expect from Murphy.

Where are all the righties asking Murphy to confirm or deny the abortion comments? That would be your proof so go for it.
 
christiefan915 said:
The fact that you and Pimp are focusing entirely on Edwards tells me all I need to know about you two. Both of you cast doubts on her words and expect a standard of proof from her that you don't expect from Murphy. Where are all the righties asking Murphy to confirm or deny the abortion comments? That would be your proof so go for it.
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Evidence tells me all I need to know Christiecrite. If you have evidence that Rep. Murphy asked Shannon Edwards to get an abortion, show it, and I will condemn his hypocrisy.

If you have evidence that Rep. Murphy is resigning because he is guilty, show it, and I will condemn his cowardice.

If you have neither, shut the fuck up until you do, Christiecrite.

I am not ruled by emotions, innuendo or partisan motivations that allow me to employ a double standard, and you have no standing to demand that I follow your disgusting example.

I also am unaware of the imaginary forum "fairness doctrine" that you seem to subscribe to.

Do you think you can demand that all conservatives must damn conservatives and liberals equally while you excuse yourself and your cronies from complying?

Answer, Christiecrite.
 
Godless America said:
Evidence tells me all I need to know Christiecrite. If you have evidence that Rep. Murphy asked Shannon Edwards to get an abortion, show it, and I will condemn his hypocrisy.

If you have evidence that Rep. Murphy is resigning because he is guilty, show it, and I will condemn his cowardice.

If you have neither, shut the fuck up until you do, Christiecrite.

I am not ruled by emotions, innuendo or partisan motivations that allow me to employ a double standard, and you have no standing to demand that I follow your disgusting example.

I also am unaware of the imaginary forum "fairness doctrine" that you seem to subscribe to.

Do you think you can demand that all conservatives must damn conservatives and liberals equally while you excuse yourself and your cronies from complying?

Answer, Christiecrite.
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You pick and choose what you want to believe and it depends mainly on whether your team is in the right or the wrong.

Murphy like other conservative hypocrites refuses to publicly deny that he asked his girlfriend to have an abortion.

Where was your condemnation of Murphy for having an affair in the first place? Instead you chose to make it solely about abortion.

You certainly do have a double standard but have deceived yourself into believing otherwise. For example, where was your criticism of the lies in this post that I debunked? https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ter-s-party-affiliation&p=2052919#post2052919

Nobody beside you said anything about a fairness doctrine.

I've seen you accept some of trump's most egregious actions and ignore some of his most egregious lies so don't even pretend your standards are exemplary.

I will "shut the fuck up" if and when I please, and you have no say-so about it. If you don't like my posts, use the ignore function.
 
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