The real truth about being Pro Life

the fetus or ball of cells is not conscious nor is it self aware. It is far more of a moral crime to kill a pig or a cow than a fetus.

Now when we get to the third trimester, I agree with you. But before that, getting an abortion should be as common as ordering pizza, where your fifth one is free.

half our lib'rul posters are not self-aware......kill the fuckers......
 
the fetus or ball of cells is not conscious nor is it self aware. It is far more of a moral crime to kill a pig or a cow than a fetus.

Now when we get to the third trimester, I agree with you. But before that, getting an abortion should be as common as ordering pizza, where your fifth one is free.

Desh: why do you Trumptards hate biology.......
 
Do you support subjecting the children to starvation/death or begging etc??

I'm not the one subjecting them to anything. Since they aren't mine, they aren't my responsibility. Since those that say what a woman does with her body is HER choice, I have no responsibility to offset the results when the one making it can't afford it. However, if you believe it is YOUR place to provide for someone after being told the choice that produced them was none of your business, it's on you. If they go without or have to beg, it's because people like you aren't doing what you claim should be done with your own money.

IOW, there is no accountability on me for two reasons. They're not mine and I was told to butt out when the choice was made to have them.

Why is it suddenly the responsibility of those of us told the choice isn't out business when the one making it can't afford it? If someone you knew was doing something that you thought was a bad idea and you mentioned it to them only to be told to "mind your own business", would you help offset the costs when what that person was doing produced the result you knew it would produce? I wouldn't nor would you. The difference between us is I wouldn't support the government forcing anyone else to do so and you would.
 
I am "pro-choice" but that doesn't mean I can't see the validity of one side being uncomfortable jabbing a pair of scissors into the skull of a fetus and then sucking it out with a vacuum tube.
Oh, come on, you know that's masturbatory material for you, any child dying or being killed is.
 
For crying out loud it's a pregnancy, not shoving bamboo sticks under her fingernails. What's barbaric is the bloody dismembering burning butchering and murder of a child!
This world is doomed.
Have you ever been pregnant? Do you know how dangerous pregnancy can be to some women?
 
Have you ever been pregnant? Do you know how dangerous pregnancy can be to some women?

Yet those women for which pregnancy can be dangerous still choose to spread their legs and take the very action that produces pregnancy.
 
the fetus or ball of cells is not conscious nor is it self aware. It is far more of a moral crime to kill a pig or a cow than a fetus.

Now when we get to the third trimester, I agree with you. But before that, getting an abortion should be as common as ordering pizza, where your fifth one is free.

The holding of Roe allows an abortion up until live birth if the state doesn't care to legislate otherwise. Can I get arugula on top?
 
the fetus or ball of cells is not conscious nor is it self aware. It is far more of a moral crime to kill a pig or a cow than a fetus.

Now when we get to the third trimester, I agree with you. But before that, getting an abortion should be as common as ordering pizza, where your fifth one is free.

So, in your omnipotent opinion at what infinitesimal fraction of a second does God's creation go from a pizza to a soul?

It is prior to this.......
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This is a human life with a soul and its own separate DNA that God is forming through the entire 9 month period. Being able to breathe air does not make this life more of a life or more valuable.
 
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So, in your omnipotent opinion at what infinitesimal fraction of a second does God's creation go from a pizza to a soul?

It is prior to this.......NSFW
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This is a human life with a soul and its own separate DNA that God is forming through the entire 9 month period. Being able to breathe air does not make this life more of a life or more valuable.

1. Your image doesn't offend or shock me. I watch videos of people getting their heads cut off with chainsaws on a lark. That said, you can't post NSFW images on JPP when people are reading through threads without warnings.

2. god doesn't exist, and neither does the soul. consciousness is an emergent property. I agree breathing air doesn't make a difference. For me it's the awareness of it's surroundings. At what stage does it become more aware than a pig, or a monkey? a 6 month year old is less conscious thana pig, which is estimated to have the intelligence of a 2 year old child. Truth be told, I don't think it's morally wrong to kill a child up to about 2 years of age for that reason. Maybe roll it back a year to be on the safe side tho.
 
Virtually NONE of the Ten Commandments are observed by following Christianity. In fact, Jesus outright teaches against following the Commandments -- especially with regard to punishment (e.g. stoning).


NOBODY is ABLE to fully obey the LAW. This why God made the made the path to salvation by grace through faith. The LAW was given to show and convict us of our sins. Abraham and the Prophets of the Old Testament knew and believed this...way before the 10 Commandments were given.
And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." Then he believed in the LORD; and the Lord reckoned it to him as righteousness."
Genesis 15: 5-6


Jesus Christ said, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill it."
Matthew 5:17


And when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they themselves gathered together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested Him with a question: “Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?”

Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind'. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself'. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments."
Matthew 22: 34-40


As far as punishment? If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.
The woman at the well did not kill anybody, there was no reason for a death sentence.

The Betrayal of Jesus

While Jesus was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived, accompanied by a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and elders of the people.

Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest Him.” Going directly to Jesus, he said, “Greetings, Rabbi,” and kissed Him.

“Friend,” Jesus replied, “do what you came for.”

Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus, and arrested Him. At this, one of Jesus’ companions drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him. “For all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Are you not aware that I can call on My Father, and He will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen this way?”

At that time Jesus said to the crowd, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me as you would an outlaw? Every day I sat teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest Me. But this has all happened so that the writings of the prophets would be fulfilled.”
Matthew 26: 47-56
 
1. Your image doesn't offend or shock me. I watch videos of people getting their heads cut off with chainsaws on a lark. That said, you can't post NSFW images on JPP when people are reading through threads without warnings.

2. god doesn't exist, and neither does the soul. consciousness is an emergent property. I agree breathing air doesn't make a difference. For me it's the awareness of it's surroundings. At what stage does it become more aware than a pig, or a monkey? a 6 month year old is less conscious thana pig, which is estimated to have the intelligence of a 2 year old child. Truth be told, I don't think it's morally wrong to kill a child up to about 2 years of age for that reason. Maybe roll it back a year to be on the safe side tho.

A bit extreme, but I agree w/ your general outlook on this topic.

It's a no brainer early on, literally - no brain, brain stem, consciousness, awareness, etc. etc. A clump of cells is not a human being w/ full rights, and it is not "murder" by any stretch to end the development of that clump of cells.

It obviously becomes a lot murkier as the fetus develops, and questions of viability will always change as medical technology develops. I always see the 1st trimester allowance as being a pretty elegant and solid compromise. It gives women plenty of time to exercise their right over their own body, and acknowledges the growing complexity of the discussion as the pregnancy progresses.

I don't know how people can bring discussions of a "soul" into it. That's purely religious/spiritual, and has no place in a discussion about secular rights.
 
A bit extreme, but I agree w/ your general outlook on this topic.

It's a no brainer early on, literally - no brain, brain stem, consciousness, awareness, etc. etc. A clump of cells is not a human being w/ full rights, and it is not "murder" by any stretch to end the development of that clump of cells.

It obviously becomes a lot murkier as the fetus develops, and questions of viability will always change as medical technology develops. I always see the 1st trimester allowance as being a pretty elegant and solid compromise. It gives women plenty of time to exercise their right over their own body, and acknowledges the growing complexity of the discussion as the pregnancy progresses.

I don't know how people can bring discussions of a "soul" into it. That's purely religious/spiritual, and has no place in a discussion about secular rights.

Well, that's kind of the point though isn't it. For people who either do not believe in God or choose to parse his words to fit their own narrative, no explanation of life will suffice. That's why I don't argue with non-believers. My opinions are of no worth in the grand scheme of things. All, I can do is offer God's Word on a subject and leave the decision with them. That way their fight is with God, not me.
 
I always see the 1st trimester allowance as being a pretty elegant and solid compromise. It gives women plenty of time to exercise their right over their own body,

it is a good compromise, but at the same time it sort of undermines the core argument of pro-choicers, in that a women has absolute rights over what goes on in her body. Clearly, this is not the case if we draw the line somewhere. The question is, is it acceptable to draw that line when one has ample time to exercise their choice?
 
NOBODY is ABLE to fully obey the LAW. This why God made the made the path to salvation by grace through faith. The LAW was given to show and convict us of our sins. Abraham and the Prophets of the Old Testament knew and believed this...way before the 10 Commandments were given.
And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." Then he believed in the LORD; and the Lord reckoned it to him as righteousness."
Genesis 15: 5-6


Jesus Christ said, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill it."
Matthew 5:17


And when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they themselves gathered together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested Him with a question: “Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?”

Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind'. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself'. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments."
Matthew 22: 34-40


As far as punishment? If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.
The woman at the well did not kill anybody, there was no reason for a death sentence.

The Betrayal of Jesus

While Jesus was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived, accompanied by a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and elders of the people.

Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest Him.” Going directly to Jesus, he said, “Greetings, Rabbi,” and kissed Him.

“Friend,” Jesus replied, “do what you came for.”

Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus, and arrested Him. At this, one of Jesus’ companions drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him. “For all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Are you not aware that I can call on My Father, and He will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen this way?”

At that time Jesus said to the crowd, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me as you would an outlaw? Every day I sat teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest Me. But this has all happened so that the writings of the prophets would be fulfilled.”
Matthew 26: 47-56

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Well, that's kind of the point though isn't it. For people who either do not believe in God or choose to parse his words to fit their own narrative, no explanation of life will suffice. That's why I don't argue with non-believers. My opinions are of no worth in the grand scheme of things. All, I can do is offer God's Word on a subject and leave the decision with them. That way their fight is with God, not me.

Who told you that it's your god's word? Are you hearing voices again?
 
it is a good compromise, but at the same time it sort of undermines the core argument of pro-choicers, in that a women has absolute rights over what goes on in her body. Clearly, this is not the case if we draw the line somewhere. The question is, is it acceptable to draw that line when one has ample time to exercise their choice?

Plus, I fully believe that a woman (or man) can do whatever he or she wants to do with it. Let it live or kill it.

The baby has its own DNA and is a separate life. And, we should not murder another's life. God begins all life from a seed with the intention of that life to grow and mature through time in a womb, a shell, a pouch, etc. without direct deliberate interference by man. It's the simplest basic concept of all recorded time. Even instinct-driven animals do not intentionally attempt to destroy that pre-birth life. Only man could complicate and question whether to protect or destroy that life.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
Romans 1:22
 
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