the people like big government so shut up

Thing1 said:
It's straight-up embarrassing that a country like America - with the education, talent & resources that we have - cannot run itself efficiently without ringing up trillions of dollars of debt.

I don't know how anyone can look at that, and see where it's headed, and make any sane argument that things are hunky dory and that this is desirable in any way.
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It is a shame the Obama, someone many called the smartest President ever, rang up as much debt during his time in office as the previous 43 combined.

It's not desirable but the lefties had no problem with their boy doing it while clamoring about how the previous President was wrong for adding half as much.
 
The key point about governments is that, even under current conditions, we have a hand in electing them, whereas private business gives power to unelected thieves, answerable to no-one.
 
iolo said:
The key point about governments is that, even under current conditions, we have a hand in electing them, whereas private business gives power to unelected thieves, answerable to no-one.
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Not true, up until this point, the State Media has decided who will be elected, and most gov't officials are appointed :palm:

Private business owners are answerable to the gov't, consumers, their employees, and their advertisers.
 
Bigdog said:
Not true, up until this point, the State Media has decided who will be elected, and most gov't officials are appointed :palm:

Private business owners are answerable to the gov't, consumers, their employees, and their advertisers.
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WE HAVE A CORPORATE MEDIA DICK BAG
 
iolo said:
The key point about governments is that, even under current conditions, we have a hand in electing them, whereas private business gives power to unelected thieves, answerable to no-one.
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The communist mindset in action. Work in business and you are a thief
 
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I consider myself a progressive in many ways (and I'm sure many on here consider me the same way) - but I have always contended that you can advance progressive ideals and still advocate for small government and lower taxes, and that these are not mutually exclusive concepts.

It bums me out to see progressives & liberals actually celebrate the idea of bigger government and higher taxes, but I think many on the left have become that way. Desh is the extreme example of that. Our government is incredibly bloated and inefficient. I was in my glory during the Clinton years when he publicly called for "smaller, smarter government," and Gore was overseeing an initiative called "reinventing government" which really looked at the bigger picture on the way programs and agencies are run. The latter was making real headway in eliminating waste & improving efficiencies, but was unfortunately abandoned.

And the GOP - my goodness. The one silver lining I always consider when they're in power is that MAYBE they'll curb spending intelligently - but do they ever love to spend.
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Desh still doesn't know how to quote posts after all these years!!
 
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