The Moslems want to put another mosque in our collective faces!

[Sammy Jankis]

What you call tolerance actually IS capitulation to terrorists.

nope. capitulation to terrorists would be allowing them build their symbol of jiahdi triumphalism.

BS. There are protests going on against several mosques right now.

As there should be. Islam has no place in modern societies.

Yes, Muslims should show tolerance by going into hiding ...

or just back to some Mohammedan slum they crawled out of.

 

[Timshel]

This is a serious downplay of the same from the other direction. I was kind. Seeing a lady on the TV madder than spit shouting at the people who are against the mosque when there were both types of demonstration the other day makes it clear that the rhetoric and action is hot on both sides.

Neither side can really do anything either. The only people who could make a difference here are the people building the mosque, they could choose to show the tolerance they want to receive, and they could use it to build a bridge between this cultural clash. Something tells me that isn't what they want, need, or desire to do.

That's complete BS! You are doing nothing but demanding that they cave into the brown shirts and all that will do is embolden more of the type of hate mongering that made this an issue to begin with.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

That's complete BS! You are doing nothing but demanding that they cave into the brown shirts and all that will do is embolden more of the type of hate mongering that made this an issue to begin with.

Fuck you, New World Order jew whore. Keep your backward desert tribalism in your own stupid region.

 

[Damocles]

Excellent job avoiding discussing the protests over the Mosque in Tennessee...or the one in Wisconsin...or the other one in Cali.

You think those against building the Mosque in Murfreesboro are just concerned with their relative proximity to Ground Zero?

See the post directly above this one, and re-read the post you quoted here. Both address those "protests"...

They feed off the controversy from the focal point.

 

[Onceler]

Rubbish, you are emoting all over the board. It's creepy and I'd like you to wash it.

There are tiny pockets of people who are using the controversy over this particular mosque to attempt to push a greater agenda that isn't supported by the HUGE majority of the population.

This particular mosque is the focal point that is causing the controversy they attempt to "use"... The only people listening to them is you and Onceler...

Had there been constant protest against every mosque that ever went up anywhere, there are many across the nation I drive past one daily, then you might have a point. But the fact that they only spring up during this controversy underlines my point.

Had this group wanted to build bridges and make the religion more accepted across the land, to show people how "peaceful" they really are, and to take power from these fringe groups who will now try to build on the controversy, they could simply have waited a bit or moved it to another location.

Yeah - just me & RString.

You really live in a bubble.

The majority supported internment of the Japanese, as well. Nice argument.

 

[Timshel]

Rubbish, you are emoting all over the board. It's creepy and I'd like you to wash it.

There are tiny pockets of people who are using the controversy over this particular mosque to attempt to push a greater agenda that isn't supported by the HUGE majority of the population.

This particular mosque is the focal point that is causing the controversy they attempt to "use"... The only people listening to them is you and Onceler...

Had there been constant protest against every mosque that ever went up anywhere, there are many across the nation I drive past one daily, then you might have a point. But the fact that they only spring up during this controversy underlines my point.

Had this group wanted to build bridges and make the religion more accepted across the land, to show people how "peaceful" they really are, and to take power from these fringe groups who will now try to build on the controversy, they could simply have waited a bit or moved it to another location.

The fact that they are springing up is due largely to the hate mongering of the group that has made this mosque an issue.

It is absurd to demand that the Park 51 group cave in to a hate group in the name of tolerance. That will not further tolerance.

 

[Damocles]

That's complete BS! You are doing nothing but demanding that they cave into the brown shirts and all that will do is embolden more of the type of hate mongering that made this an issue to begin with.

See Onceler? Evidence that the rhetoric is strong in both directions. One thing you are right about is the fact that it has past the point of no return. Now simply showing tolerance and not being rude would take "capitulation". Lines have been drawn in the sand. Both sides are being intolerant of the view of the other and it would take some major intervention to fix it.

I have no dog in this hunt, I said long ago what Obama said. These people have a right to build this place. I then stated that if they wanted to (wanted to) they could take the teeth from this tiger by showing the same tolerance they expect from others...

I simply point out the truth. The reality is tolerance flows both ways, when you want it to be only a one-way street.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The fact that they are springing up is due largely to the hate mongering of the group that has made this mosque an issue.

It is absurd to demand that the Park 51 group cave in to a hate group in the name of tolerance. That will not further tolerance.

I think you mean the truthful analysis of Islam, not hate.


It's rational to demand that global paramilitary theocratic armies not be allowed to establish bases here.

 

[Damocles]

The fact that they are springing up is due largely to the hate mongering of the group that has made this mosque an issue.

It is absurd to demand that the Park 51 group cave in to a hate group in the name of tolerance. That will not further tolerance.

Or conversely, if you view tolerance as a two-way street, they are building on the flow of "intolerance" apparent from both sides. And again, I pointed out earlier that I believed it has past the point of no return. One side or the other would be seen as "capitulating"... the lines were drawn. It was earlier, long before this point, that such an action would have turned this around and the group would have looked like Saints...

The best we can hope for now is people to ignore the idiots protesting other mosques. I have no demand for either group.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Nobody has seen real Blowback.

 

[Canceled2]

Or conversely, if you view tolerance as a two-way street, they are building on the flow of "intolerance" apparent from both sides. And again, I pointed out earlier that I believed it has past the point of no return. One side or the other would be seen as "capitulating"... the lines were drawn. It was earlier, long before this point, that such an action would have turned this around and the group would have looked like Saints...

The best we can hope for now is people to ignore the idiots protesting other mosques.

When you are speaking about what Obama said about "legal right to build" you are addressing their first amendment right to build...correct?

Just checking because that's the position most of the opposition has. That said, there are 2 legal, non 1st amendment challenges to the mosque. I did not know this until stringy pointed it out about 10 threads and 500 posts later. So be careful when you talk about the legal right to build, because he likes to conflate them.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

NOOOO...when you are "employed" by someone, you WORK for them and nothing more.

One doesn't necessarily have to hold the same beliefs and views to work for and draw a paycheck from a company.

Or are you going to try and claim otherwise?

lol....you totally ignored the facts of the case

you and onceler have YET to address what actually occurred in the cab....

why? because it goes against your belief that its the anti mosque crowd fault. certaintly can't be because ONE guy was a nutcase...nope, has to be the anti mosque crowd....

when you work for an organization, you are in fact part of that organization, your title is employee....he volunteered to work with them....that is not a sign he doesn't support their beliefs....

its pathetic watching you and onceler furiously spin this and use this tragedy to score political poionts....

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

onceler has run away in shame from the facts of the case because they don't support his opinion...anyone else interested in what REALLY happened in the cab stabbing....

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=27907

look there, i'll keep it updated as we learn more

 

[Onceler]

I love the repeated use of the "facts of what happened in the cab".

Passenger: are you a Muslim?

Cabbie: yes.

Stab, stab, stab.

 

[Onceler]

onceler has run away in shame from the facts of the case because they don't support his opinion...anyone else interested in what REALLY happened in the cab stabbing....

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=27907

look there, i'll keep it updated as we learn more

LOL

You have run away from everything I've argued.

And apparently, you think the huge level of anti-Muslim rhetoric we're seeing right now is cool, and fine with you. That's quite an admission.

 

[Cypress]

The fact that they are springing up is due largely to the hate mongering of the group that has made this mosque an issue.

It is absurd to demand that the Park 51 group cave in to a hate group in the name of tolerance. That will not further tolerance.

Word, man. That's what I've been saying.

This wouldn't even be a story in the national press without some islamophobic rightwing zealots flogging it 24/7, with an assist from Drudge, Fox News, et al. The misinformation is flying so fast and furious, that most americans at this point probably actually believe that its a mosque - not a community center - and that it is actually being built at "ground zero".

So, there's a lot of misinformed rubes shadow boxing something that is nothing more than a figment of their imagination..

That' exactly what Ron Paul said, and what I've been saying for weeks. This was orchestrated by bigots, and there was a campaign manufactured by bigots. If I'm crazy for saying this, then so is libertarian hero Ron Paul.

As far as I can tell, there are three groups of people against the mosque - the bigots, the bigot-enablers, and the dupes who've been so misinformed by rightwing propoganda, they don't even know what's going down. But it's all a function of - and creation of - islamophobic bigots. Per what Ron Paul said.

 

[Damocles]

When you are speaking about what Obama said about "legal right to build" you are addressing their first amendment right to build...correct?

Just checking because that's the position most of the opposition has. That said, there are 2 legal, non 1st amendment challenges to the mosque. I did not know this until stringy pointed it out about 10 threads and 500 posts later. So be careful when you talk about the legal right to build, because he likes to conflate them.

Yes. That was what I was addressing. I also have not heard of other legal challenges to the mosque/cultural center.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Word, man. That's what I've been saying.

This wouldn't even be a story in the national press without some islamophobic rightwing zealots flogging it 24/7, with an assist from Drudge, Fox News, et al. The misinformation is flying so fast and furious, that most americans at this point probably actually believe that its a mosque - not a community center - and that it is actually being built at "ground zero".

So, there's a lot of misinformed rubes shadow boxing something that is nothing more than a figment of their imagination..

That' exactly what Ron Paul said, and what I've been saying for weeks. This was orchestrated by bigots, and there was a campaign manufactured by bigots. If I'm crazy for saying this, then so is libertarian hero Ron Paul.

As far as I can tell, there are three groups of people against the mosque - the bigots, the bigot-enablers, and the dupes who've been so misinformed by rightwing propoganda, they don't even know what's going down. But it's all a function of - and creation of - islamophobic bigots. Per what Ron Paul said.

It's a mosque and a community center. That' not misinformation.

It's not bigoted to truthfully understand the danger of Islam.

 

[Cypress]

It's a mosque and a community center. That' not misinformation.

It's not bigoted to truthfully understand the danger of Islam.

So if they built their islamic cultural center, without the prayer room in it, you and the islamophobes would be totally cool with it being built at Park 51?

Sorry, I don't believe you.

As Zappa has routinely pointed out, american muslim mosques are being protested all over the country, so you dudes should really drop the smokescreen about how this is merely related to your concerns about your magical radius of "hallowed ground".

You hate american muslims. I get it.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

So if they built their islamic cultural center, without the prayer room in it, you and the islamophobes would be totally cool with it?

I don't believe you.

As Zappa has routinely pointed out, american muslim mosques are being protested all over the country, so you dudes should really drop the smokescreen about how this is merely related to your concerns about "hallowed ground".

You hate american muslims. I get it.

they wouldn't build it without the mosque. And i have been saying all along im against all new mosques and more immigration of muslims.

Think of it as not allowing nazis to set up a new regime here.