Which way is that?
I want you on record here. Do you, or do you not think, that all of the rhetoric surrounding the anti-mosque movement is creating an atmosphere that is conducive to these kinds of crimes, and this kind of hate?
Yay or nay?
The Moslems want to put another mosque in our collective faces!
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Which way is that?
I want you on record here. Do you, or do you not think, that all of the rhetoric surrounding the anti-mosque movement is creating an atmosphere that is conducive to these kinds of crimes, and this kind of hate?
Yay or nay?
Sammy Jankis
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We only gain freedom through knowledge if we use that knowledge to avert threats to freedom.
It "must" solely flow in the direction that Liberals want it to flow, it cannot be a two-way street.
In this case, the most tolerant thing to do would be to either wait to build the mosque when there is less controversy, or build in a different location and return later.
It isn't that people are against mosques, in fact there are zillions of them across the nation. It is the fact that people seem "insulted" by this one at this moment. Very few people think they should be illegal or that the government should "stop them"... They just want them to recognize and tolerate the cultural differences.
In this case, it seem "tolerance" can only be viewed in the way that the mosque is built; not from a Muslim... only to them must the flow go....
Nice politician's answer.
Which is to say - you didn't answer the question I was asking.
zappasguitar
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Nice whitewashing of the facts there, counselor!
The attacker wasn't "part of a group that supported the mosque" he was "EMPLOYED" by them and nothing more. You couldn't even be bothered to list what his job was exactly. Maybe he's the janitor...maybe he's the switchboard operator.
All evidence does NOT say Onceler is wrong, but when has something like "the truth" ever stopped you form spouting bullshit...ever?
The attacker asked the driver if he was Muslim and then attacked...pretty straightforward...unless you happen to be a lawyer too full of yourself to admit when you are wrong.
I didn't read your question.
I think that intolerance from either direction can be "conducive" to this. It depends on the direction you view the "flow" of tolerance.
The reality is, had the Muslim group recognized the controversy as a chance to show the tolerance they want from others, this would be a moot point as the Mosque would either wait for a less controversial time, or it would be built elsewhere. One thing I know is that you just jumped to an incorrect conclusion because you view the flow of "tolerance" from only one vantage point.
Then when shown to be simply jumping to a conclusion you want to make others think that it was that way because you think it should be...
Oh, and as for this non-answer, show me the hate in the other direction. Show me the cabbie getting stabbed, or the guy pissing on a mosque rug & screaming "terrorist," or the Congressman coming out & talking about Christians or Jews as "them" and "the ones who attacked us".
If they are, I'll condemn it the same way. The answer which you did NOT provide is that of course the rhetoric we're hearing right now is provoking hate, and that hate is provoking acts of violence.
To not see that & acknowledge it isn't just naive; it's lobotomized.
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um....when you're employed, you're part of the group or company...dumbass...
lets see what actually happened and lets see if you can address facts, i doubt it as you're a proven liar and obsessed with personal life, kind of creepy...
How is it a "chance to show the tolerance they want from others?"
Aren't we all Americans Damo?
Why is it "them," and why do they have to show "us" anything?
Lemme guess...cuz they're the "ones who attacked us?"
What?
Every article calling anybody who thinks they should wait a bit "bigots" are evidence of the flow in the other direction. Quit being an emo-tard. That's Watermark's place... Usurper!
zappasguitar
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See,that's the thing...it IS about those who are against Mosques...or have you not read about the controversy over the Mosque being built in Tennessee?
Or the controversy over the Mosque being built in Wisconsin...
Or the one in LA...
Again, I said it isn't like EVERYBODY is against mosques, I even pointed out that only "few" want, blah, blah. But clearly you have selective reading comprehension disorder and like to try to "give" me an opinion you can find easier to battle. The reality is:
When asked, over 85% say that they have a "right" to build the mosque there, yet over 67% still think they shouldn't....
That isn't people against freedom of religion.
Damo, that is such a pathetic downplaying of the rhetoric that is coming from the anti-mosque crowd - I don't even know how to respond to that kind of spin.
What planet are you living on these days, anyway?
zappasguitar
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NOOOO...when you are "employed" by someone, you WORK for them and nothing more.
One doesn't necessarily have to hold the same beliefs and views to work for and draw a paycheck from a company.
Or are you going to try and claim otherwise?
What you call tolerance actually IS capitulation to terrorists.
BS. There are protests going on against several mosques right now.
Yes, Muslims should show tolerance by going into hiding so as not to to offend Islamophobes and Islamophobes should reciprocate by not stabbing Muslims, but if Muslims are not willing to respect that it goes both ways then...
This is a serious downplay of the same from the other direction. I was kind. Seeing a lady on the TV madder than spit shouting at the people who are against the mosque when there were both types of demonstration the other day makes it clear that the rhetoric and action is hot on both sides.
Neither side can really do anything either. The only people who could make a difference here are the people building the mosque, they could choose to show the tolerance they want to receive, and they could use it to build a bridge between this cultural clash. Something tells me that isn't what they want, need, or desire to do.
Rubbish, you are emoting all over the board. It's creepy and I'd like you to wash it.
There are tiny pockets of people who are using the controversy over this particular mosque to attempt to push a greater agenda that isn't supported by the HUGE majority of the population.
This particular mosque is the focal point that is causing the controversy they attempt to "use"... The only people listening to them is you and Onceler...
Had there been constant protest against every mosque that ever went up anywhere, there are many across the nation I drive past one daily, then you might have a point. But the fact that they only spring up during this controversy underlines my point.
Had this group wanted to build bridges and make the religion more accepted across the land, to show people how "peaceful" they really are, and to take power from these fringe groups who will now try to build on the controversy, they could simply have waited a bit or moved it to another location.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Again, I said it isn't like EVERYBODY is against mosques, I even pointed out that only "few" want, blah, blah. But clearly you have selective reading comprehension disorder and like to try to "give" me an opinion you can find easier to battle. The reality is:
When asked, over 85% say that they have a "right" to build the mosque there, yet over 67% still think they shouldn't....
That isn't people against freedom of religion.
Excellent job avoiding discussing the protests over the Mosque in Tennessee...or the one in Wisconsin...or the other one in Cali.
You think those against building the Mosque in Murfreesboro are just concerned with their relative proximity to Ground Zero?