The Mamdani Moments

You predict shit then it never happens

Why would any sane person listen to your
Slop?

It’s as reliable as the drunken guy on the curb by the bus station rambling as he obsessively scratches his balls

The eye-opening report from Democratic City Comptroller Mark Levine’s office cast doubt on the proposal’s much-trumpeted projected $500 million in revenue, noting a similar tax in Vancouver, Canada, prompted property owners to rent, sell or even live full-time in their second homes.

Levine found that the proposed policy — framed as a needed revenue booster for the city — would likely bring in closer to $340 to $380 million. He warned the loss could be even greater over time.


That's the accounting expert in the NYC government.


 
The eye-opening report from Democratic City Comptroller Mark Levine’s office cast doubt on the proposal’s much-trumpeted projected $500 million in revenue, noting a similar tax in Vancouver, Canada, prompted property owners to rent, sell or even live full-time in their second homes.

Levine found that the proposed policy — framed as a needed revenue booster for the city — would likely bring in closer to $340 to $380 million. He warned the loss could be even greater over time.


That's the accounting expert in the NYC government.


Your links suck as always
 
If you sell to a corporation, the corporation gets zero homestead rebate, so would be paying the higher second home tax anyway. There would also be property transfer taxes, and a reassessment of property taxes which is going to mean a massive increase. There are of course rental taxes, but there would also be rental property rebates on property taxes, or there would be if you did not have an out-of-state corporation.

The corporation would operate it as a "rental property" not a second home. The transaction can be done privately through an escrow service for a small fee. I've done many of those selling property rather than through a real estate agency. Any profit made from the sale can be, along with the sale amount rolled over into new real estate somewhere else so there is no capital gain and no tax to be paid.
Somewhere along the line, you have forgotten that NYC gets the right to tax because whoever owns property there. Not based on where the owner lives or is incorporated. Incorporate in whatever tax haven you want, if you own property in NYC, you are paying taxes there. If you are charging rent in NYC, you are paying taxes there.

They can tax the property but not slap on that additional "wealth tax" as the property is no longer a "second home." It is now, at least on paper, a rental property. The idea is to avoid paying more than you have to. Mamdani's idea to soak the Rich has failed everywhere else it's already been tried.
If the rent is not covering the cost of maintaining the property, you would be tempted to take a business loss. That business loss would prove that the corporation was compensating you in NYC, so you would be required to start paying all the income/employment taxes of NYC.

No, it wouldn't. The corporation could say they've tried renting and just aren't getting takers.
A well tested legal principle is that any business deal that only makes sense to avoid taxes, it has no business purpose, is a tax dodge. That means the tax attorney that you would hire to try to get out of trouble would not be trying to reduce the taxes you owe, he would be trying to keep you out of prison.
The Bidens and Clintons got away with that for decades.
 
The corporation would operate it as a "rental property" not a second home.
Yes, and the property taxes on it would be higher, because it would no longer get a homestead rebate.

The transaction can be done privately through an escrow service for a small fee.
Property transfers need to be registered with the city. There is a property transfer tax in NYC, and in many other places. If you do not register the property transfer with the city, it did not happen.

I've done many of those selling property rather than through a real estate agency.
The real estate agent is not the issue here. The taxes are the issue.

Any profit made from the sale can be, along with the sale amount rolled over into new real estate somewhere else so there is no capital gain and no tax to be paid.
You are mixing capital gains taxes with property transfer taxes.

They can tax the property but not slap on that additional "wealth tax" as the property is no longer a "second home."
By definition, property taxes are a type of wealth taxes. You have lost your homestead rebate, just like with the second home loss of homestead rebate, so have made no gain.

The idea is to avoid paying more than you have to.
OUCH!!! Never say that. There needs to be a business justification, not just a tax justification.

The corporation could say they've tried renting and just aren't getting takers.
That would require advertising at the price you pay. Let's say you are paying $100 a month rent on a property that would normally be $100,000. Your corporation would be required to try to rent it to anyone for $100 a month. There would be a taker.

Do you see how that fails? The main way it is failing is there is no attempt to obfuscate the tax evasion. You are staying in the same property, just doing a bunch of paperwork changes for no other reason but for tax evasion.

The Bidens and Clintons got away with that for decades.
The Bidens and the Clintons released decades of their taxes. The Clintons, in particular, released all their taxes from 1976 to 2015. The taxes really are not that interesting.
 
Yes, and the property taxes on it would be higher, because it would no longer get a homestead rebate.

No, because a corporation can write them off and make them revenue neutral as a business.
Property transfers need to be registered with the city. There is a property transfer tax in NYC, and in many other places. If you do not register the property transfer with the city, it did not happen.

That's what escrow firms do. The paperwork is about 10 pages and some signatures. The cost is usually a few hundred dollars.
The real estate agent is not the issue here. The taxes are the issue.

Ownership is the issue. An additional tax on a "second home" versus not having to pay that additional tax on a "rental property." Vancouver is often brought up as a city that has already done what Mamdani is about to do, the exact same thing. High income people with second homes in Vancouver immediately found ways to avoid the tax and it took in a fraction, about 10 to 20% of what was expected by the Leftist run government.
You are mixing capital gains taxes with property transfer taxes.

When I sell a property for more than I purchased it for, that profit is subject to capital gains tax unless I reinvest it, along with the principle, in a new property. Like for like is the rule. There are no "property transfer taxes involved" since the government isn't involved in the transaction.
By definition, property taxes are a type of wealth taxes. You have lost your homestead rebate, just like with the second home loss of homestead rebate, so have made no gain.

Property taxes are generally meant to pay for local government infrastructure that is provided that impacts that property. That is, roads, utilities, schools, and the like.
OUCH!!! Never say that. There needs to be a business justification, not just a tax justification.

No there doesn't. Businesses don't have to justify in detail why they doing some business transaction. With real estate, taxes are a justification. 'I sold the property because I couldn't afford the taxes on it...'
That would require advertising at the price you pay. Let's say you are paying $100 a month rent on a property that would normally be $100,000. Your corporation would be required to try to rent it to anyone for $100 a month. There would be a taker.

"Advertising" on a $5 million property as a rental is to a very specific clientele. I don't have to run want ads at some local apartment finding business.
Do you see how that fails? The main way it is failing is there is no attempt to obfuscate the tax evasion. You are staying in the same property, just doing a bunch of paperwork changes for no other reason but for tax evasion.

You fail to see that Rich people didn't get rich and stay rich by being passive and stupid. When government does something by simple fiat and expects everything else not to react to that, government is the one being stupid. The Rich will react to government wanting to massively hike taxes on them and will do something to avoid it.

The Bidens and the Clintons released decades of their taxes. The Clintons, in particular, released all their taxes from 1976 to 2015. The taxes really are not that interesting.

So? The Bidens and Clintons ran all sorts of very dubious and often obvious scams to avoid taxes, collect huge piles of money in quid pro quo arrangements, and other nefarious stuff. Notice how Hunter 'Bagman' Biden is no longer some corporate darling who can get million dollar plus seats on boards? That's because his political juice is now ZERO that dear old daddy is a vegetable and no longer in politics.

The Clinton Foundation closed after the Hildabeast stopped running for President. The Clintons can't get huge piles of cash for anything now that they're out of politics.
 
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