The Mamdani Moments

Taichiliberal said:
First off, your opening guess work is wrong unless you can factually prove otherwise. Secondly, your podcast link is just typical maga propaganda that's a say late and a dollar short. Observe and learn:
ny1.com

Under Mamdani, are businesses leaving the city?

NY1 found that big finance jobs are staying, at least for now.
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Cliche fallacies. Buzzword fallacies (guess work, fact, maga). Inversion fallacy. Denial.
 
cawacko said:
I'd argue it comes down to incentives. There are certainly people in places like NYC and SF that complain about higher taxes and their effects, but at the end of the day they aren't leaving either City.
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Many already have,
cawacko said:
But then you do have some (wealthier) individuals and business that do choose to either relocate or at least expand elsewhere. And that can have a very real effect on a City's budget.
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That is does.
cawacko said:
There's not going to be some mass exodus from NYC.
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It's already happening.
cawacko said:
But if enough of the highest paying tax payers leave, the City is going have challenges in providing the services it desires.
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It already does.
cawacko said:
That's what this debate comes down to when making a budget that looks to extract more from the wealthiest people and businesses.
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That itself is unconstitutional.
 
Into the Night said:
Cliche fallacies. Buzzword fallacies (guess work, fact, maga). Inversion fallacy. Denial.
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And you know Sqauwkie is finished when he defaults to his usual collection if incorrectly applied mantras. That's because he has no logical or factual recourse. So since there's no further point on trying torstionally debate with him, it's back to the ignore list for him soon.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Good luck with that.

My prediction is he gets less than half that $500 million on second homes of the rich and his budget is a fantasy in practice.

If I were really rich and had a second home that was going to be taxed, I'd "sell" it to a corporation I own that was in another state and then "rent" it to myself when I stay there instead of owning. Now, Mamdani gets ZERO tax benefit as the second home is owned by an out of state corporation. Sure, the other state gets some small tax benefit (because I picked a low corporate tax state) but that's nothing compared to dodging Mamdani's tax.

The rich didn't get rich by being idiots. But any idiot can be a tax the rich socialist. Socialists always wonder why their tax the rich schemes fail...
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You predict shit then it never happens

Why would any sane person listen to your
Slop?

It’s as reliable as the drunken guy on the curb by the bus station rambling as he obsessively scratches his balls
 
Taichiliberal said:
And you know Sqauwkie is finished when he defaults to his usual collection if incorrectly applied mantras. That's because he has no logical or factual recourse. So since there's no further point on trying torstionally debate with him, it's back to the ignore list for him soon.
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He is a version of a racist phallus
 
cawacko said:
Another example of Father time remaining undefeated and we can't swing with the almost reckless abandon we could while in our youth, haha. Hopefully that new swing comes around for you!

For many things politically we view them from a right and left prism. Democratic socialism can get a little more granular as we saw with the Bernie- Hillary and then Bernie-Biden Democratic primaries.

In my world, San Francisco is obviously a very liberal City. We don't even have Republicans run for office here. Yet progressives/democratic socialists still complain because by San Francisco standards, more moderate Democrats have held the Mayor's office for over 35 years straight.

You look at New York City and I believe their City Council consists of around 51 people or so. And maybe 5 of them are Republican. So basically Democrats have total control. Yet even then there can be differences on local issues among those Democrats.

So when it comes to higher taxes etc. NYC is already doing it. Mamdani is going to try and push it further and we'll ultimately see where that leads.
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You have been proven wrong on policy your entire JPP existence

California is now the 4th largest economy in the world

Your sooo fucking cult brained you praised Bush right until he fucking crashed the economy with Republican economic ideas

Now you love the taste of trumps balls

You a a grade 1A fucking idiot
 
Ross Dolan said:
It is my opinion that you are all wrong on this. BUT...we will see how things go.
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If I were, and people were normally altruistic and willing to work hard and just give some of the money they earned, possibly a big chunk of it, to other people who often do little or nothing to earn it, then Socialism and even Communism would have worked centuries ago.
 
cawacko said:
I'd argue it comes down to incentives. There are certainly people in places like NYC and SF that complain about higher taxes and their effects, but at the end of the day they aren't leaving either City.

But then you do have some (wealthier) individuals and business that do choose to either relocate or at least expand elsewhere. And that can have a very real effect on a City's budget.

There's not going to be some mass exodus from NYC. But if enough of the highest paying tax payers leave, the City is going have challenges in providing the services it desires.

That's what this debate comes down to when making a budget that looks to extract more from the wealthiest people and businesses.
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And smaller businesses will fill any needs they leave open

We know you republicans love the taste of sweaty oligarchs balls in your mouth

You may want to plan a move to Russia
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If I were, and people were normally altruistic and willing to work hard and just give some of the money they earned, possibly a big chunk of it, to other people who often do little or nothing to earn it, then Socialism and even Communism would have worked centuries ago.
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You peer into your cold dark heart and think others are just like you


You hate your fellow humans and believe without evidence that they as shitty as you are
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If I were really rich and had a second home that was going to be taxed, I'd "sell" it to a corporation I own that was in another state and then "rent" it to myself when I stay there instead of owning. Now, Mamdani gets ZERO tax benefit as the second home is owned by an out of state corporation. Sure, the other state gets some small tax benefit (because I picked a low corporate tax state) but that's nothing compared to dodging Mamdani's tax.
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If you sell to a corporation, the corporation gets zero homestead rebate, so would be paying the higher second home tax anyway. There would also be property transfer taxes, and a reassessment of property taxes which is going to mean a massive increase. There are of course rental taxes, but there would also be rental property rebates on property taxes, or there would be if you did not have an out-of-state corporation.

Somewhere along the line, you have forgotten that NYC gets the right to tax because whoever owns property there. Not based on where the owner lives or is incorporated. Incorporate in whatever tax haven you want, if you own property in NYC, you are paying taxes there. If you are charging rent in NYC, you are paying taxes there.

If the rent is not covering the cost of maintaining the property, you would be tempted to take a business loss. That business loss would prove that the corporation was compensating you in NYC, so you would be required to start paying all the income/employment taxes of NYC.

A well tested legal principle is that any business deal that only makes sense to avoid taxes, it has no business purpose, is a tax dodge. That means the tax attorney that you would hire to try to get out of trouble would not be trying to reduce the taxes you owe, he would be trying to keep you out of prison.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And you know Sqauwkie is finished when he defaults to his usual collection if incorrectly applied mantras. That's because he has no logical or factual recourse. So since there's no further point on trying torstionally debate with him, it's back to the ignore list for him soon.
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Assumption of victory fallacy. Denial of Mantra list. Denial of logic. Buzzword fallacies (mantra, logic, fact, recourse, torsion).
Cliche fallacies. Fake Ignore. Inversion fallacy.
 
Taichiliberal said:
But since Mamdani is NOT a communist. Nor is his budget proposal communist in nature, your parroted BS is just a piss in the wind.

Socialism does not equal communism, capitalism does not equal fascism. Deal with it.
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Mandani is a communist.
Mandani is also a socialist. Communism is one form of socialism.
Mandani is not a capitalist.

You are also a socialist.
 
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