The lengths Trump supporters go to

Covfefe said:
Do you support the Confedracy, do you think the statues should stay up?
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I think the question was badly worded. I for one think those statues could remain as long as they're in museums but there's no choice for that, it was an all or nothing question.
 
Thing1 said:
I've observed - and I think it's pretty obvious - that they don't care about right or wrong, or even good or evil. The main thing for them now, as it was with Iraq, is not conceding a thing to liberals & the "media elites." If they dared to criticize Trump for an obviously horrible reaction to Charlottesville, they'd be giving liberals and the media a "win", at least from their perspective.

It was the same w/ Iraq, until Dubya was out of office. Once he was out, it wasn't as necessary to defend him anymore, so it was all "huh? Wha happened?"
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Save the faux poutrage. There was no horrible reaction to Charlottesville, it was spot on and perfect. Only the fringe loons thinks it means anything.

Keep chasing the Russian boogeymen and imaginary 'Nazis' -- and I'll gladly sit back and watch you keep losing.
 
Thing1 said:
Just to defend the guy.

Who would have ever thought that Lee & the confederate army would be so celebrated? Our brave U.S. veterans from the south! And even though Lee led the fight to preserve slavery, Jefferson & Washington were the same! You're erasing our history - with his statue gone, how can anyone ever know and appreciate the greatness of General Lee?

I mean, there have even been some posts on here the past few days to the effect of "why is white supremacy such a bad thing?"

Is there a rock bottom from this crew? How does a pathological liar who will throw a surrogate or supporter under the bus in a millisecond if it gives him even one iota of advantage command such loyalty from his followers?
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u keep saying lee led the fight 2 preserve slavery

is that true though?

i cant find any statement letter or speech made by him wher he sez he wanted to fight to keep slaves

i did find this tho

The South, in my opinion, has been aggrieved by the acts of the North, as you say. I feel the aggression, and am willing to take every proper step for redress. It is the principle I contend for, not individual or private benefit. As an American citizen, I take great pride in my country, her prosperity and institutions, and would defend any State if her rights were invaded. But I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for "perpetual union," so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee#Late_1850s:_Arlington_plantation_and_the_Custis_slaves


now have u got any proof that lee fought bcuz he wanted 2 keep slaves?

id like 2 c it pleez
 
christiefan915 said:
The term "virtue signaling" is just laziness and lack of critical thinking. Anytime a lib supports something a con is against, it's virtue signaling. It's lost all meaning, they way they use it indiscriminately.
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Ha, okay so it's not even a real word, it's a phony catchphrase that has no meaning outside a Coulterian universe, and yet is mindlessly parroted on the interwebs by posters who are not known for original, independent thinking.

Thanks for the intel, mystery solved!
 
God Emperor said:
u keep saying lee led the fight 2 preserve slavery

is that true though?

i cant find any statement letter or speech made by him wher he sez he wanted to fight to keep slaves

i did find this tho

The South, in my opinion, has been aggrieved by the acts of the North, as you say. I feel the aggression, and am willing to take every proper step for redress. It is the principle I contend for, not individual or private benefit. As an American citizen, I take great pride in my country, her prosperity and institutions, and would defend any State if her rights were invaded. But I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for "perpetual union," so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee#Late_1850s:_Arlington_plantation_and_the_Custis_slaves


now have u got any proof that lee fought bcuz he wanted 2 keep slaves?

id like 2 c it pleez
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Preserving slavery was highlighted in most of the participating states' secessionist statements, and also vocalized by the President & VP of the confederacy. It wasn't a mystery, and there was nothing ambiguous or vague about it.

Are you suggesting that Lee was ignorant, and didn't know what the confederate army was actually fighting for?
 
tsuke said:
we dont want to give you this win or any win at all because when we give an inch you take a mile. There are already liberal leaders calling for the removal of washington and lincoln after trumps conference.
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thats not all there doing


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this woman is a mizzouri state senator (D)
 
christiefan915 said:
I think the question was badly worded. I for one think those statues could remain as long as they're in museums but there's no choice for that, it was an all or nothing question.
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look at all you liberals now finding nuance in polls and analyzing how questions are asked to elicit a certain answer, (once you realize how far outside reality you've been). it's fucking adorable.
 
Thing1 said:
Preserving slavery was highlighted in most of the participating states' secessionist statements, and also vocalized by the President & VP of the confederacy. It wasn't a mystery, and there was nothing ambiguous or vague about it.

Are you suggesting that Lee was ignorant, and didn't know what the confederate army was actually fighting for?
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u ignored my request for proof that lee ever stated he wanted to preserve slavery & that why he would fight for virginia

i think i know y

as has been said many times yes preserving the vile institution of slavery was one of several motives 4 the south but not the only 1

i dont think it was the main 1

from the historical document i quoted it looks like lee was conflicted but he did not mention slavery at all did he?

so ur claim that lee fought bcuz he wanted to keep slavery does not ring true does it?
 
God Emperor said:
u ignored my request for proof that lee ever stated he wanted to preserve slavery & that why he would fight for virginia

i think i know y

as has been said many times yes preserving the vile institution of slavery was one of several motives 4 the south but not the only 1

i dont think it was the main 1

from the historical document i quoted it looks like lee was conflicted but he did not mention slavery at all did he?

so ur claim that lee fought bcuz he wanted to keep slavery does not ring true does it?
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I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant.

I have said MANY times that his personal views do not matter in this instance. He led the army that was fighting to keep people enslaved. And he knew that.

The end.
 
Thing1 said:
One more time:

Here's how it goes, Trump supporters. Jefferson owned slaves. But he wrote the Declaration of Independence, and his rhetoric set the foundation for equal rights for all in America. That is what he represents to most Americans: freedom, independence, justice & equal rights. These are the things he fought for.

Lee was the general of the confederate army, and fought - hard - to preserve slavery. Personally, he may have been an extremely honorable man, and had his own views on slavery. But, in public life, he fought to keep people enslaved, and this is what he is known for. It is what he represents to most Americans.

So, a statue of Jefferson is cool with most - he symbolizes freedom & equal rights, and the gov't is expressing that by honoring him w/ a statue. Lee's statue is a symbol of the fight to preserve slavery; he was literally the leader of that cause.

See the difference?
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And they claim it's Liberals who don't understand "nuance".
 
Thing1 said:
I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant.

I have said MANY times that his personal views do not matter in this instance. He led the army that was fighting to keep people enslaved. And he knew that.

The end.
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becuz u said it its the end?

nope

no proof no truth
 
God Emperor said:
u ignored my request for proof that lee ever stated he wanted to preserve slavery & that why he would fight for virginia

i think i know y

as has been said many times yes preserving the vile institution of slavery was one of several motives 4 the south but not the only 1

i dont think it was the main 1

from the historical document i quoted it looks like lee was conflicted but he did not mention slavery at all did he?

so ur claim that lee fought bcuz he wanted to keep slavery does not ring true does it?
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Yes, there were "other" reasons for why the South fought, but the PRIMARY MOTIVATION for secession was to keep slavery.

 
Thing1 said:
Proof of what? That Lee's army fought to keep people enslaved?
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there u go again

was that the only reason the south was fighting?

can u find any records that say lee (or any other southern soldier) wanted to fight just so they could keep slaves?

yes or no?
 
God Emperor said:
according to u and a some others

not a universally held opinion

and surely not a fact as some claim

and u say trump backers dont get nuance?
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The secession documents from EVERY SINGLE SOUTHERN STATE made it crystal clear they were leaving the union to protect the institution of slavery.
 
God Emperor said:
there u go again

was that the only reason the south was fighting?

can u find any records that say lee (or any other southern soldier) wanted to fight just so they could keep slaves?

yes or no?
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No one ever said it was the ONLY reason. You only have strawmen.

It was a significant reason. It doesn't matter what Lee himself said. He led the army that was fighting to preserve slavery.

I can't believe you're even trying to argue this.
 
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