The insanity of blaming Islam

Don Quixote said:
and miles to go before i sleep...that permanent sleep of this life
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It reminded me of a Frost poem...

Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
BY ROBERT FROST
Whose woods these are I think I know.***
His house is in the village though;***
He will not see me stopping here***
To watch his woods fill up with snow.***

My little horse must think it queer***
To stop without a farmhouse near***
Between the woods and frozen lake***
The darkest evening of the year.***

He gives his harness bells a shake***
To ask if there is some mistake.***
The only other sound’s the sweep***
Of easy wind and downy flake.***

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.***
But I have promises to keep,***
And miles to go before I sleep,***
And miles to go before I sleep.
 
Steelplate said:
....but make no mistake...they worship the same God.
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clarification.....Christianity teaches that God is a Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit......Islam teaches that Allah is the God of Abraham, which would equate to only the Father.....thus both Christianity and Islam worship YHWH but they don't consider YHWH to be the same thing.....it would therefore, only be accurate to say that Muslims worship the same God as Christians if you limit it to origin and not to content.....
 
Dixie said:
But Jews do believe in The Bible and the God of Abraham, not Allah. They have a different interpretation of the Scriptures, but their God is the same as the Christian God, who isn't Allah.

The history of Allah dates back to Mesopotamia, when tribal people worshiped the god of the moon, among other gods. The attributes of Allah, as described by Muslim religion and the Koran, is "unknowable," while the God of Abraham is quite literally the opposite. There are countless other examples where the word of the Koran and the word of the Bible describe entities which can not be the same. It is a purely 'moderate' and modern interpretation, that God and Allah are "the same thing." They certainly aren't, and if you believe in the Bible or Koran, you can't believe they are.
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Now you are just being obtuse.
 
The God as in "Holy Spirit" is the same in Christianity and Islam, and in many ways the Father is also the same. Christanity has the trinity, meaning that God is more than simply the unknowable and mysterious being, but God is also the Son (or amung us, the ability for man to have higher thought) and the Father, the creator of our world. IN many ways Allah is both Father and Holy Spirit, but not the son.

Islam does not really have a Jesus, Muhammad is not a counterpart to Jesus as he is not "part" of God, he is simply a messenger from God.
 
Steelplate said:
It reminded me of a Frost poem...

Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
BY ROBERT FROST
Whose woods these are I think I know.***
His house is in the village though;***
He will not see me stopping here***
To watch his woods fill up with snow.***

My little horse must think it queer***
To stop without a farmhouse near***
Between the woods and frozen lake***
The darkest evening of the year.***

He gives his harness bells a shake***
To ask if there is some mistake.***
The only other sound’s the sweep***
Of easy wind and downy flake.***

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.***
But I have promises to keep,***
And miles to go before I sleep,***
And miles to go before I sleep.
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yes, this is what i had in mind from decades ago
for i am weary and would shuffle off this mortal coil, but i have promises to keep
thank you for the reminder
 
Dixie said:
You don't believe the Bible if you think Allah and God are the same. You also don't believe the teachings of Muhammad.
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Exactly. I made the same point and proved it with indisputable bible verses. They both used lame reasoning to back up their rejecting God's words, Jesus's words and even Old and New Testament validation.

When they reject this you know they are blinded by ignorance and hatred.

(John 14:6) "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
 
Jarod said:
The God as in "Holy Spirit" is the same in Christianity and Islam, and in many ways the Father is also the same.
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Complete and Utter rubbish... Rejection of the Son(Jesus) is total rejection of the Father (God). Try reading the bible and cure your massive ignorance!
 
Jarod said:
The God as in "Holy Spirit" is the same in Christianity and Islam, and in many ways the Father is also the same. Christanity has the trinity, meaning that God is more than simply the unknowable and mysterious being, but God is also the Son (or amung us, the ability for man to have higher thought) and the Father, the creator of our world. IN many ways Allah is both Father and Holy Spirit, but not the son.

Islam does not really have a Jesus, Muhammad is not a counterpart to Jesus as he is not "part" of God, he is simply a messenger from God.
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What you are doing is drawing familiar parallels, which is what a lot of people tend to do. Because of Ismail being the son of Abraham, Muslims claim to believe in the God of Abraham, and they call this, Allah. However, the entity they believe in as Allah, is not the same entity Christians worship as God. The characteristics are not the same, and if the words of the Koran and Bible are true, it's impossible for them to be the same entity. If you believe in the God in The Bible, you have to believe the Koran's Allah is not God, and if you believe in the Koran, you have to believe Allah is not the same God as described in The Bible. Also, there is the ancient history of Mesopotamia, and the fact that one of many gods they worshiped was Allah, the God of the Universe or God of All Gods. It appears that Mohammed has incorporated an existent popular belief in one of several gods, into the deity known by Muslims as Allah. I don't profess to know what happened for sure, but this seems the most likely logical explanation. In any event, the attributes of Allah are completely different from God described in The Bible. Some might argue that God can be all things, therefore it's still possible they could be the same, but the same God can't be "knowable" by some people and "unknowable" by others. This is probably the biggest contradiction between the two, and there are numerous others.

Now, while this may matter in circles of faith or in a Muslim country, it doesn't really have any significance here, because we are free to worship whatever God we please. It might make liberals feel better or seem more cozy and cordial that Christians and Muslims worship the same Deity, but it's just not reality based.
 
OnearmSword said:
Exactly. I made the same point and proved it with indisputable bible verses. They both used lame reasoning to back up their rejecting God's words, Jesus's words and even Old and New Testament validation.

When they reject this you know they are blinded by ignorance and hatred.

(John 14:6) "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
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HorseSHIT! Jesus did not say, the father I describe is ONLY the Christian father. HE talked about the Father in the universal sense, he simply said that the only way to get to that Father was via him. THat does not mean that God (the Father) is not the same God the Muslams call Allah.
 
Dixie said:
What you are doing is drawing familiar parallels, which is what a lot of people tend to do. Because of Ismail being the son of Abraham, Muslims claim to believe in the God of Abraham, and they call this, Allah. However, the entity they believe in as Allah, is not the same entity Christians worship as God. The characteristics are not the same, and if the words of the Koran and Bible are true, it's impossible for them to be the same entity. If you believe in the God in The Bible, you have to believe the Koran's Allah is not God, and if you believe in the Koran, you have to believe Allah is not the same God as described in The Bible. Also, there is the ancient history of Mesopotamia, and the fact that one of many gods they worshiped was Allah, the God of the Universe or God of All Gods. It appears that Mohammed has incorporated an existent popular belief in one of several gods, into the deity known by Muslims as Allah. I don't profess to know what happened for sure, but this seems the most likely logical explanation. In any event, the attributes of Allah are completely different from God described in The Bible. Some might argue that God can be all things, therefore it's still possible they could be the same, but the same God can't be "knowable" by some people and "unknowable" by others. This is probably the biggest contradiction between the two, and there are numerous others.

Now, while this may matter in circles of faith or in a Muslim country, it doesn't really have any significance here, because we are free to worship whatever God we please. It might make liberals feel better or seem more cozy and cordial that Christians and Muslims worship the same Deity, but it's just not reality based.
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Describe for me the incompatable differences between God and Allah?
 
Jarod said:
HorseSHIT! Jesus did not say, the father I describe is ONLY the Christian father. HE talked about the Father in the universal sense, he simply said that the only way to get to that Father was via him. THat does not mean that God (the Father) is not the same God the Muslams call Allah.
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So, that may mean that Christ is the ultimate judge in these matters. Or, it may mean that Christ is the ultimate sacrificial lamb....or a combination of both.

However, turning the other cheek and loving your enemy seems a heck of a lot more "Christlike" than to be filled with hate and have hearts of stone.
 
Dixie said:
What you are doing is drawing familiar parallels, which is what a lot of people tend to do. Because of Ismail being the son of Abraham, Muslims claim to believe in the God of Abraham, and they call this, Allah. However, the entity they believe in as Allah, is not the same entity Christians worship as God. The characteristics are not the same, and if the words of the Koran and Bible are true, it's impossible for them to be the same entity. If you believe in the God in The Bible, you have to believe the Koran's Allah is not God, and if you believe in the Koran, you have to believe Allah is not the same God as described in The Bible. Also, there is the ancient history of Mesopotamia, and the fact that one of many gods they worshiped was Allah, the God of the Universe or God of All Gods. It appears that Mohammed has incorporated an existent popular belief in one of several gods, into the deity known by Muslims as Allah. I don't profess to know what happened for sure, but this seems the most likely logical explanation. In any event, the attributes of Allah are completely different from God described in The Bible. Some might argue that God can be all things, therefore it's still possible they could be the same, but the same God can't be "knowable" by some people and "unknowable" by others. This is probably the biggest contradiction between the two, and there are numerous others.

Now, while this may matter in circles of faith or in a Muslim country, it doesn't really have any significance here, because we are free to worship whatever God we please. It might make liberals feel better or seem more cozy and cordial that Christians and Muslims worship the same Deity, but it's just not reality based.
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The God the Chrisians worship is also different from the God the Jews worship, but they still acknowledge they are the same God, so your argument is flawed.

It isn't just liberals, it is scholars who study these scriptures. "The History Of God" by Karen Armstrong is a great book that lays out in easy read the history of these religions.
 
Just another case of lumping everyone into one category. It's easier that way. All people who own "assault rifles" are gun nuts and the only way to be safe is to ban all assault rifles. All terrorist bombings (except for the second worst in American history) are done by Muslims so we should just outlaw islam and forbid anyone of islamic faith from entering our country. Completely ignores all the law abiding Muslims that live in the US in places like Dearborn where hundreds of thousands of Muslims live and lead regular lives. It's easier to blame entire groups. It just also happens to be really lazy.
 
Rana said:
The God the Chrisians worship is also different from the God the Jews worship, but they still acknowledge they are the same God, so your argument is flawed.

It isn't just liberals, it is scholars who study these scriptures. "The History Of God" by Karen Armstrong is a great book that lays out in easy read the history of these religions.
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No, the Jews and Christians worship the same God. They have different interpretations of the Scripture, just like different sects of Muslims have differing interpretations of the Koran. I'll check out the book, I am always interested in what others have to say about religious origins, it's an interesting subject.
 
NOVA said:
Try this again in English.
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It is English, I am sorry you are too stupid to understand.

The Old Testament God is a god of war and conquest, a stern, authoritarian God. The God of the New Testament is a loving God, Abba.

Was that easier for you, Vanilla?
 
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