The insanity of blaming Islam

christiefan915 said:
Thanks for the scolding, Your Holiness. Now, let me give you a crash course on Catholic teaching since you missed so much. The church is against capital punishment; the church considers Muslims to be saved ("But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day"); the church supports unions and workers; the church puts the needs of the poor and vulnerable first; the church believes that the economy is to serve the people, not the other way around; the church says we have a fundamental duty to protect the environment; the church forbids euthanasia, cloning, embryonic stem cell research and artificial birth control; the church says war should be avoided except as a last resort; etc, etc. In fact, the Church is more liberal than conservative on many issues but those aren't the issues conservatives support.

So Pope Francis, how many Catholics do you know who toe this party line 100%? My guess is, none. The next time you want to come at a Catholic with your pronouncements about black & white and picking and choosing, you'd better come armed, because you just struck out big time.
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Here is Salvation in Christianity. Which one of these do the Muslims believe? Answer is none because they deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. Your supposition about how, " The church is against capital punishment; the church considers Muslims to be saved" means nothing. I suggest next time you educate yourself before making such outlandish and false statements.

Mark 1:15 "The time is here, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
1Cor 15:1-4 The gospel is that Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, and then He was resurrected on the third day.

Romans 4:25-5:2 He was delivered over to death for our sins and then was raised to life to put us right with God. By faith in this, then, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

Romans 10:9-11 If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are put right with God, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in Him will never be put to shame."

1 John 1:3-4 That which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. We write these things to you that your joy may be full.


I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. John 14:6


I am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit, and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so they will produce even more. You have already been pruned and purified by the message I have given you. Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me.

Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples. This brings great glory to my Father. John 15:1-8
 
Thing1 said:
Bzzzzzzt...wrong answer!

The Klan actually started burning the cross during their own meetings, as part of their worship & a symbol of Christian fellowship. It would accompany Christian prayer and singing hymns.

It's funny how you guys want to attack Islam for every fringe terrorist group that uses the religion for their agenda, but ignore it on the side of Christianity completely, and even deny that groups like the KKK see themselves as Christians.
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Those so-called fringe terrorists groups have murdered many tens of thousands innocent people over the last few decades.
Estimate that 10% of Islam are radical and/or support radical Islam are actually a low estimate. Ten percent of a billion people is a hundred million. Hardly a few fringe groups. You do realize that an army consists of the advance fighters and the logistical support behind the lines. Jihad is a core part of Islam. Go ahead and deny that truth.

Islam's murder agenda worldwide.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Weekly Jihad Report
Apr. 13 - Apr. 19
Jihad Attacks:
53

Allahu Akbars*:
4

Dead Bodies:
279

Critically Injured:
734

*Suicide Attacks

Monthly Jihad Report
March, 2013
Jihad Attacks:
189

Countries:
21

Religions:
5

Dead Bodies:
988

Critically Injured:
2093

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2013.04.23 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Muslims bomb a rival mosque, killing seven worshippers.
2013.04.22 (Fallujah, Iraq) - Nine people at a restaurant are taken out in mid-bite by Mujahid bombers.
2013.04.21 (Pattani, Thailand) - A 49-year-old Buddhist woman is gunned down in a targeted attack by Muslim militants.
2013.04.21 (Paktika, Afghanistan) - Three civilians at a shopping mall are blown to bits by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2013.04.20 (Khar, Pakistan) - A female Fedayeen blows herself up outside a hospital, taking four innocents with her.
2013.04.19 (Wana, Pakistan) - Taliban extremists send rockets into an election rally, killing four people.

* Sources for individual incidents can be provided upon request.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
One or two senators, while certainly a milestone in our nation, still don't compare to....let's say the Ottoman Empire.

The entire history of Islam until this point is taught where radicalism is the only thing that kept Islam alive. They were once the most tolerant and prosperous civilization in the world, and only the radicals remained. The entire structure of the history and the religion rewards nothing but radicalism, and has no inherent mechanism for change as do other religions.
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Ottoman Empire = land grab. Just like any other empire. (See Holy Roman Empire, British Empire)
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Except the KKK doesn't run any particular part of government. They aren't encouraged by any sects of Christianity. They don't have a massive group of followers (what, 5,000 at best?). They don't have a voice in national or international politics. They are not equal in any way beyond their fanaticism.
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The religion of Islam doesn't have a massive group of terrorists, either. What percentage of the 1.6 billion are actively involved in terrorism?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
right....and he found such widespread support in the Christian community.....

if anything this debate has underscored the fact that Christianity does NOT sit back silently when fucking idiots act like fanatics.....can Islam say the same?.....how about if the mosque that the Boston bomber grew up in refused to hold services for his funeral.....how about if his family buried him in a pig skin lined coffin....
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It's a real shame that your masters in Theology didn't teach you more about the spirit of Christianity. There's as much hate in your posts as in anything written by terrorists.
 
OnearmSword said:
Here is Salvation in Christianity. Which one of these do the Muslims believe? Answer is none because they deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. Your supposition about how, " The church is against capital punishment; the church considers Muslims to be saved" means nothing. I suggest next time you educate yourself before making such outlandish and false statements.

Mark 1:15 "The time is here, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
1Cor 15:1-4 The gospel is that Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, and then He was resurrected on the third day.

Romans 4:25-5:2 He was delivered over to death for our sins and then was raised to life to put us right with God. By faith in this, then, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

Romans 10:9-11 If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are put right with God, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in Him will never be put to shame."

1 John 1:3-4 That which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. We write these things to you that your joy may be full.


I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. John 14:6


I am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit, and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so they will produce even more. You have already been pruned and purified by the message I have given you. Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me.

Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples. This brings great glory to my Father. John 15:1-8
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Jews deny the divinity of Jesus. What's your point?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
right....and he found such widespread support in the Christian community.....

if anything this debate has underscored the fact that Christianity does NOT sit back silently when fucking idiots act like fanatics.....can Islam say the same?.....how about if the mosque that the Boston bomber grew up in refused to hold services for his funeral.....how about if his family buried him in a pig skin lined coffin....
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Muslims tipped off authorities about the plot with the Canadian train in the past few days, ending the threat.

Many Muslim leaders condemned the 9/11 attacks & other terrorist acts. You just don't listen as much when it's on "that side."
 
Thing1 said:
Muslims tipped off authorities about the plot with the Canadian train in the past few days, ending the threat.

Many Muslim leaders condemned the 9/11 attacks & other terrorist acts. You just don't listen as much when it's on "that side."
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Should Timothy McVeigh been treated as an enemy combatant?

Should non-muslim-christian raised white guys who kill everything moving in American theaters and schools be treated as enemy combatants?

What's the difference?
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
You don't know much history at all do you?
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More than you, I expect. What part of "empire" do you need explained, (i) or (ii)?

An imperial political structure is established and maintained in two ways: (i) as a territorial empire of direct conquest and control with force (direct, physical action to compel the emperor's goals), and (ii) as a coercive, hegemonic empire of indirect conquest and control with power (the perception that the emperor can physically enforce his desired goals).
 
Darla said:
WTF is a wigger??? I asked when that old lesbian Tom called me one, and Mott posted a video of some kid in a backwards baseball cap in response. Oh, that clears it up! Not only would i not be caught dead in a backwards baseball cap but everyone knows anyone who wears a backwards baseball cap is a douchebag.
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I would like to know Vanillas definition, I know mine.
 
christiefan915 said:
It's a real shame that your masters in Theology didn't teach you more about the spirit of Christianity. There's as much hate in your posts as in anything written by terrorists.
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I agree, his faux Christianity is staggering, as are the majority who profess to be Christians on this forum.
 
christiefan915 said:
The religion of Islam doesn't have a massive group of terrorists, either. What percentage of the 1.6 billion are actively involved in terrorism?
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The growing problem in countries that the majority is Islamic is that they are letting the radicals gain control in their governments.

We can not talk much, we see the same thing happening here. The fringe is gaining ground and radicalizing people. We have a few examples on this forum. Moderates are losing ground!
 
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