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No need to mock you brother... you have done enough damage to yourself.
The Greatest Story Ever Sold, The God Who Wasn't There.
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No need to mock you brother... you have done enough damage to yourself.
blackascoal
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Intelligent minds don't require proof that Santa Claus doesn't exist .. nor do they require proof of the Easter Bunny.
What can be demonstrated is that humans don't come from dust, Noah's Ark was a Mother goose story, the story of Jesus is the story of Hercules .. which was told long before Jesus, that religions are a composite of each other all claiming their own deity, that the Council of Nicea 325AD proclaimed Jesus divine by vote .. and a whole host of FACTS that would lead sane and resonable people to draw their own conclusions.
Besides the fact that anything that does not require FACT should be questioned.
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I think the problem with this is that one the one hand you have a small minority of religious people trying to worm their way into political things and create laws that solely follow their beliefs. On the other hand you have people creating movies (or whatever it is) claiming that there is no God.
Most atheists I have known (but not all) simply do not believe in and deity. They are not trying to convince anyone of their beliefs.
And most christians (certainly almost all pagans, jews, and some other faiths) are making no effort to force anything on anyone. They have their beliefs and they give them comfort, enlightenment, happiness, or whatever they get from their beliefs.
This is another area where the extreme minorities get the press.
Most atheists I have known (but not all) simply do not believe in and deity. They are not trying to convince anyone of their beliefs.
And most christians (certainly almost all pagans, jews, and some other faiths) are making no effort to force anything on anyone. They have their beliefs and they give them comfort, enlightenment, happiness, or whatever they get from their beliefs.
This is another area where the extreme minorities get the press.
blackascoal
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No, I haven't .. which is WHY you CAN"T mock me.
Besides my good brother .. if you don't already know that christianity, as is all religion, is a compilation of many other religions and myths .. I'm not sure you have enough information to be having this conversation.
Seriously .. and yes, I can prove it,
Who is this?
* He was born of a virgin by immaculate conception.
* He was born in a stable.
* We celebrate his birth on Dec 25th
* He was visited by wise men bearing gifts
* He had 12 disciples
* He was called the Messiah
* He made a Contract (or Covenant) with Man confirming an older contract with God.
* He celebrated a last supper with his disciples before his death
* He died to atone for the sins of man
* He was resurrected on a Sunday
* He ascended into Heaven to rejoin his Father
* He will return to pass judgment on mankind
* On judgment day, the dead will arise and be judged
* He will send sinners to Hell
* He will send the faithfull to Heaven
* On judgment day there will be a final conflict between evil and good.
* The forces of evil will be destroyed and the saved will live in paradise forever.
* He is part of a holy Trinity that took human form
* He is depicted as having a halo
* His followers drink wine and eat bread which represent his blood and flesh.
* His followers are baptised
Jesus?
In about 350BC Mithras was sent by the Father God down to Earth to confirm his contract with Man.
* Mithras was born of a virgin by immaculate conception.
- He was born of Anahita, an immaculate virgin mother
* Mithras was born in a stable.
* We celebrate his birth on Dec 25th
* Mithras was visited by wise men bearing gifts
* Mithras had 12 disciples
* He was called the Messiah
- Mithras was also the god of Darius, conqueror of Babylon, He was called "Messiah" or Christos by Jews during their Captivity.
* Mithras made a Contract (or Covenant) with Man confirming an older contract with God
- The Persian word Mithras literally means "Contract"
* Mithras celebrated a last supper with his disciples before his death
* Mithras died to atone for the sins of man
* Mithras was resurrected on a Sunday
* Mithras ascended into Heaven to rejoin his Father
* Mithras will return to pass judgment on mankind
- He was known as the judger of souls
* On judgment day, the dead will arise and be judged by Mithras
* Mithras will send sinners to Hell
* Mithras will send the faithfull to Heaven
* On judgment day there will be a final conflict between evil and good.
* The forces of evil will be destroyed and the saved will live in paradise forever.
* Mithras is part of a holy Trinity that took human form
* Mithras is depicted as having a halo
* Mithras followers drink wine and eat bread which represent his blood and flesh.
* Mithras followers are baptised
350 years before the Messiah .. his exact duplicate was already here.
There are a lot easier people for you to be having this conversation with than me my brother.
evince
Truthmatters
I told my son when he was six years old because he demanded the truth from me.
I then told him he was now a member of the Santa club and that to be a member you had to swear to never tell any child who still wanted to believe.
The first time the two of us were arround a child who still believed it was a cute as hell how he went along with it.
It built a very deep trust for us.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I tell my kids that Santa Claus is a Christmas character, just like the Easter Bunny.
Then we celebrate Kwanzaa.
We do Kwanzaa and Christmas.
evince
Truthmatters
This may be kind of a non-sequitor, but there has been loads of research on near-death experiences, and some of the findings are certainly intriguing.
It's not proof of a "god" per say, but it certainly does lay a foundation that there is something going on that we don't know much about...
It's not proof of a "god" per say, but it certainly does lay a foundation that there is something going on that we don't know much about...
blackascoal
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The reason why people make anti-religious movies is to keep that minority of religious people from intruding on the affairs of the state.
Without those who take a stand against "faith", that minority would intrude even further into the lives of everyday people .. and nowhere is that more evident than on the issue of homosexuality.
Is it out of bounds to state that King James was a homosexual to counter the religious argument? He was a homosexual.
When does it become anti-intellectual to engage in rational conversation .. except in the case of religion .. and Israel?
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I usually just google "NDE" or "NDE Research". There is a lot to wade through, but there is some legit stuff out there (some of the sites are kind of covers for a more religious agenda).
There is a lot of similarity & consistency with near-death experiences. I think everyone interprets them according to their own beliefs, but like I said, it seems to indicate that there is at least something going on that we're not too knowledgable about yet.
Same with past life experiences, imo...
I've been over this before, it takes an infinite leap of faith in either direction to fully believe that there is or isn't a god/gods...
It doesn't matter, if you are on a line of probability, in order to get to "KNOW" rather than "IS/IS NOT PROBABLE" you have to go off the line entirely into new dimensions.
You may believe that it is MORE PROBABLE that there is no God, but the minute you take the leap off the line of probability you have stepped into FAITH territory.
You use an equal amount of faith to believe or disbelieve what you cannot prove.
blackascoal
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Interesting that you'd say that because I've had my own near-death experience. I was in a semi-comotose state for 4 days .. they couldn't wake me up after a stroke and hemorragic seizure. The only thing I remember about my ordeal was a terrible nightmare where I was in Hell and running from giant deformed beings. I'm not prone to nightmares unless about my daughter in harm's way, but I believe that's what woke me up.
Could it have been the drugs they were pumping me with .. maybe.
But no personal experience, especially during trauma, proves the existence of God .. rather it proves the depth of the mind.
Most of the NDE's I've read about are when you actually flatline; there are 1,000's of documented cases. Virtually all report being up above their body, and how much it goes beyond that depends on how long their heart stopped beating.
blackascoal
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That non-argument is false.
Fact does not require faith.
Fact determines that the biblical Jesus was invented.
You can choose to ignore fact.
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I have taken a stand against religious intrusions into government as often as anyone.
But there is a fine line between taking a stand against religious intrusions and taking a stand against religions.
I have no problem using the fact that King James was a misogynistic homosexual. It is the truth.
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The Almighty
And if you go back further, ancient babylonians celebrated Yule day on the 25th... blah blah blah...
Similarities in beliefs/religions does not prove that God does not exist.
As I stated, I am agnostic. Unlike yourself I am intelligent enough to realize that you cannot disprove the existence of God and thus should not mock those that choose to believe in the existence of God. For that is as ignorant as a believer of 'religion x' telling you they know you are going to 'hell' for not believing as they do.
and NO, you cannot prove it. Though I would love to see what you THINK is your proof. similarities in beliefs can be explained without disproving Gods existence.
Did it ever occur to you that IF God did/does exist that he/she may have simply conveyed a similar story to mankind throughout our brief time on this planet?
Bottom line... you do not KNOW, neither do I, nor does anyone for that matter.... because again... that is why they call if FAITH (a belief that is not based on PROOF)
blackascoal
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The mind and body are truly amazing.
But no personal experience can validate the existence of God.
The story of Man is written in your blood.
Again, sight would end Faith.
IF God were to show up and demand TV time then we no longer need Faith and are off the line of probability into that different dimension I spoke of.
Until such an instance happens we remain firmly on the line of probability, and it doesn't matter how far from center you travel on that line it is still a level of probability. In order to get to "KNOW" from the information we have you must use FAITH.
As for Jeebus, that's your thing. Like Homer, I don't believe in Jeebus.
Oh, I definitely agree that there isn't anything out there to validate the existence of God. There really isn't anything in all of the NDE's that have been documented that would lead to a conclusion of "God."
It's just interesting, and to me, indicates (not proves, but indicates) that there is something going on we don't know about.
I'm not a big fan of the word "God" because it has so many connotations at this point....