The GOP HATES Our Fighting Men And Women

Fascinating how you continue to think your supposition and conjecture actually passes for facts and the logic that derives from said facts.

The Military/Industrial complex stalled for years before getting the surviving vets what they were due.
The current anal blockage by the MAGA GOP has to do with what else was in this bill...a proposal to curtail inflation that the GOP didn't like. They could give a damn abou the vets...same way they pissed on vets when they pushed to cut funding under the Shrub's administration.

You need to stop trolling for them...it's disgusting.

Herbert Hoover, our worst president before twump actually sent our troops, let by General McArthur to attack veterans demonstrating for their promised pay after WWI. McArthur later called the veterans, "communists". Republicans screwing over our soldiers has been a decades-long tradition.
 
Liar.

I said that he would be driven out of town in a year and three months, but these fuckers turned up incompetent, they could not even manage that.

Yep, when your predictions fail it will always be someone else's fault. Typical twumptard response. Carry on, twumptard.
 
LIAR, I have been a very vocal speaker on the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan for well over a decade....we got fucked.

I've seen your posts for 6 years and never seen you speak out against any of it. YOU'RE the liar, twumptard.
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Kindly skedaddle RugRat....Movie Time With Slut is about to start.....Kiss The Girls with Ashley Judd tonight....I cant be bothered.

Please. <smh>. Your "slut" is your left hand and even it is telling you it has a headache tonight, loser.
 
The bill was passed after 3 votes on it. It passed with 84 votes a month ago, it failed with only like 55 votes a week ago and it passed yesterday with 86 votes. the same bill all 3 times, no changes. That is fact and I don't give a shit what the fuck you heard or when you heard it.

sorry, you are confused......the vote last week was a cloture vote, whether to close debate......that vote failed......three amendments were proposed.....they did not pass......then the bill was voted on and passed.......thank you for this opportunity to correct your errors......I enjoyed it.....
 
Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
In fact, what he posted in post # 35 is factual...

In 1979, a class action lawsuit was filed on behalf of 2.4 million veterans who were exposed to Agent Orange during their service in Vietnam. Five years later, in an out-of-court-settlement, seven large chemical companies that manufactured the herbicide agreed to pay $180 million in compensation to the veterans or their next of kin.

https://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/15/agent.orange.suit/

In 1988, Dr. James Clary, an Air Force researcher associated with Operation Ranch Hand, wrote to Senator Tom Daschle, “When we initiated the herbicide program in the 1960s, we were aware of the potential for damage due to dioxin contamination in the herbicide. However, because the material was to be used on the enemy, none of us were overly concerned. We never considered a scenario in which our own personnel would become contaminated with the herbicide.”

https://www.history.com/topics/vietn...agent-orange-1

In 1991, President George H.W. Bush signed into law the Agent Orange Act, which mandated that some diseases associated with Agent Orange and other herbicides (including non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, soft tissue sarcomas and chloracne) be treated as the result of wartime service. This helped codify the VA’s response to veterans with conditions related to their exposure to Agent Orange.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docu...range-act-1991



So? It's largely irrelevant. What level of exposure is necessary to cause some debilitating injury? If those using the chemical itself, and exposed to thousands of times the amount anyone in the field was exposed to what proof of injury by exposure is there? It's like saying you or I bought a gallon of Roundup herbicide (another one liars... err, lawyers are making bank off of) and later got cancer or whatever.

Since it was an out-of-court settlement there is no real proof Agent Orange caused anything, just the company paying off because their accountants and liars said it'd be cheaper than going to trial.

The opinion of a single researcher out of dozens, probably hundreds, means little on its own too. If anything, the Agent Orange exposure thing in 98% political, 2% scientific.

You're a fascinating display of the right wing corporate wonk/toady mindset.

As the chronology of the posts shows, first you falsely (or stupidly, which ever comes first) labeled the facts I posted as "anecdotal", opinions not worthy of consideration.

But once shamed in public as to your stubborn denial or genuine stupidity, you pull out the intellectually impotent stand by of a wonk/toady by saying the FACTS DON'T MATTER.
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You follow this up with the usual supposition and conjecture laden screed sprinkled with your personal opinion. Time and again I keep schooling you that those are NOT facts.

It's like this, toodles: you initially laid out a study to prove your assertion....I pointed out that your study didn't even deal with a healthy fraction of the vets who were actually exposed to the chemicals. I also provided evidence that corroborates how this study's conclusions are flawed as itself admits it could not adequately gather the proper number of definite exposed personnel from deployment to in field exposed.

The topper is your personal opinion that an out of court settlement is to pay off accountants and "liars". :palm:

Listen up and get educated, genius: out of court settlements relieves the accused of possible public conviction (admittance of guilt), while providing an acceptable amount of restitution to the accusing parties. It's an agreement by both parties to forgo lengthy and expensive trials (i.e., class action suits, etc.), but leans in favor of the accused public reputation.

Couple this with the 1988 Clary letter and subsequent 1991 Agent Orange Act, and one would have to be as foolish as you to deny the conclusion of vets being exposed and subsequently poisoned by Agent Orange.

But like a good little toady, you'll put your God given common sense on hold and say, "Well, until someone says outright "I'm guilty" or "they're right" I'll stick with the party line.
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Goebbels and Stalin would have loved you. Carry on.
 
You're a fascinating display of the right wing corporate wonk/toady mindset.

As the chronology of the posts shows, first you falsely (or stupidly, which ever comes first) labeled the facts I posted as "anecdotal", opinions not worthy of consideration.

But once shamed in public as to your stubborn denial or genuine stupidity, you pull out the intellectually impotent stand by of a wonk/toady by saying the FACTS DON'T MATTER.
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You follow this up with the usual supposition and conjecture laden screed sprinkled with your personal opinion. Time and again I keep schooling you that those are NOT facts.

It's like this, toodles: you initially laid out a study to prove your assertion....I pointed out that your study didn't even deal with a healthy fraction of the vets who were actually exposed to the chemicals. I also provided evidence that corroborates how this study's conclusions are flawed as itself admits it could not adequately gather the proper number of definite exposed personnel from deployment to in field exposed.

The topper is your personal opinion that an out of court settlement is to pay off accountants and "liars". :palm:

Listen up and get educated, genius: out of court settlements relieves the accused of possible public conviction (admittance of guilt), while providing an acceptable amount of restitution to the accusing parties. It's an agreement by both parties to forgo lengthy and expensive trials (i.e., class action suits, etc.), but leans in favor of the accused public reputation.

Couple this with the 1988 Clary letter and subsequent 1991 Agent Orange Act, and one would have to be as foolish as you to deny the conclusion of vets being exposed and subsequently poisoned by Agent Orange.

But like a good little toady, you'll put your God given common sense on hold and say, "Well, until someone says outright "I'm guilty" or "they're right" I'll stick with the party line.
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Goebbels and Stalin would have loved you. Carry on.

Classic TCL, the cliches and hackneyed phrases are all there!
 
Yes, I do. Dioxin is present only in miniscule quantities as a contaminant in Agent Orange. It was not an active ingredient or one deliberately put in the product by the manufacturer.

WTF is the matter with you? Are you really this stupid or are they paying trolls better?

For your educsation: https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/basics.asp

The experts established a provisional tolerable monthly intake (PTMI) of 70 picogram/kg per month. This level is the amount of dioxins that can be ingested over lifetime without detectable health effects.

20 million gallons of herbicides (including Agent Orange) in total was used in Vietnam. Out of that, an estimated 368 pounds of dioxin was sprayed in Vietnam over a six year period (Gough, 1986) ..

Do the math, stupid. Guess who was loading that stuff onto the planes, hooking it up and spraying it WITHOUT WEARING HAZMAT SUITS? Guess who was in the fields after the dusting? Hint: American soldiers.

Don't embarrass yourself with doubling down on your insipid stubbornness, denial and repetition. The OP is on target....then and now. TFB if you don't like it.
 
From actual useful sources


https://www.britannica.com/science/Agent-Orange


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7348691/

1/1750 is .057% or NOTHING!

Dioxin was negligible component of Agent Orange unless you go to some radical Leftist, conspiracy theory, nutgoober site like this one where facts are absent and speculation is rampant.

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/programs/agent-orange-in-vietnam-program/agent-orangedioxin-history/

If you read what those idiots write, there's not one mention--ONE MENTION--of the concentration of dioxin present in Agent Orange. They're lying by omission.

Comprehensive reading isn't your thing, is it bunky?

Two words: Cumulative effect

Part of Vietnam was crop dusted with this shit....this was not the equivalent of some clown spritzing people with a sample bottle from Nordstrom's dept. store!
The troops moving through dusted area's didn't just run through a few yards and then come out...they spent DAYS, WEEKS IN COUNTRY. Hell, some soldiers had 2 tours of duty! And let's not forget, 55 gallon drums being loaded, hooked up and then discarded without hazmat suits.

This little fact was included in the study you sourced, thus making the conclusion in serious error.

Got it now, bunky?
 
Classic TCL, the cliches and hackneyed phrases are all there!

Translation: our ex National Front expat in Asia cannot logically or factually fault any of my posts on this thread, so he just stamps his widdle feet and fumes with generalized accusations.

I shut down T.D. Gardner and this clown won't dare pick up that gauntlet, so he just spews sour grapes. Yep, Old Primo at his best.
 
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Why does the GOP hate the men and women who fight for their freedoms?


Senate GOP block bill that would secure health benefits for veterans who are suffering due to their exposure to toxic burn pits.


Former Daily Show host Jon Stewart stayed on the warpath on Friday in his efforts to get a bill passed that would secure health benefits for veterans who are suffering due to their exposure to toxic burn pits.

To make his case, Stewart went on the conservative Fox News to make a direct plea to its viewers that the legislation was worth passing even as Republican members of the Senate blocked it earlier this week.

During an interview with Fox News' Bill Hemmer, Stewart directly debunked what he described as "misinformation" about the legislation.

"No spending that is not related to veterans has been added to this bill," Stewart began. "No last-minute budget gimmicks have been added to this bill. This bill is purely based on toxic exposure health care and benefits to veterans."

He then encouraged viewers to read the bill at Congress.gov and see for themselves that there is no hidden agenda inside the legislation.

"Hunter Biden didn't sneak in and add unrelated spending in the middle of the night," he said. "This bill is exactly as it was, with the removal of one sentence that had to do with taxation and rural medical facilities!

https://www.rawstory.com/jon-stewart-fox-news/

The GQP Taliban hates America, humanity, freedom and anything else of a civilized nature, which is why they too are at war against society and humanity at being no worse than foreign terrorist enemies. Their numerous acts of sedition and treason proves that at not fit to be called civilized human beings but nothing more than taxpayer pilfering savages.
 
Why does the GOP hate the men and women who fight for their freedoms?


Senate GOP block bill that would secure health benefits for veterans who are suffering due to their exposure to toxic burn pits.


Former Daily Show host Jon Stewart stayed on the warpath on Friday in his efforts to get a bill passed that would secure health benefits for veterans who are suffering due to their exposure to toxic burn pits.

To make his case, Stewart went on the conservative Fox News to make a direct plea to its viewers that the legislation was worth passing even as Republican members of the Senate blocked it earlier this week.

During an interview with Fox News' Bill Hemmer, Stewart directly debunked what he described as "misinformation" about the legislation.

"No spending that is not related to veterans has been added to this bill," Stewart began. "No last-minute budget gimmicks have been added to this bill. This bill is purely based on toxic exposure health care and benefits to veterans."

He then encouraged viewers to read the bill at Congress.gov and see for themselves that there is no hidden agenda inside the legislation.

"Hunter Biden didn't sneak in and add unrelated spending in the middle of the night," he said. "This bill is exactly as it was, with the removal of one sentence that had to do with taxation and rural medical facilities!

https://www.rawstory.com/jon-stewart-fox-news/

For that, in my opinion, the U.S. armed forces should hate the GOP and consider it a internal enemy of interest.
 
sorry, you are confused......the vote last week was a cloture vote, whether to close debate......that vote failed......three amendments were proposed.....they did not pass......then the bill was voted on and passed.......thank you for this opportunity to correct your errors......I enjoyed it.....

Sorry asshole, 25 republicans switched their vote and voted against the pact act. It was not a vote to close debate it was a vote against the bill.

https://www.brown.senate.gov/newsro...e-bill-brown-colleagues-push-passage_pact-act
 
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