The fire extinguisher hoax

Damocles said:
They have stated that no charges are pending from his death, which tells me that he was not murdered as this was one extremely investigated death. After the supposed attack he texted his brother saying he had been pepper sprayed twice but was "feeling good" and doing fine. Then hospital... and the next day he died. But it wasn't from blunt force trauma as there was no evidence of that at all. So, all we have is no answer at all, they will not release the autopsy and nobody will ever be charged and the report that there was no trauma...

So, of the 5 people that died that day we have a heart attack on the steps, a stroke near a fake gallows outside (person never entered the building), one who was shot (they have not released any information on that investigation either), one that was apparently trampled and Officer Sicknick who was not bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. All were Trump supporters.
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Before you ponder this you have to think about proof. Do they even know who smashed him in the head to press charges? No matter what, defending on the side of an assailant is pretty depraved. It makes normal people want to puke.
 
Charoite said:
Before you ponder this you have to think about proof. Do they even know who smashed him in the head to press charges? No matter what, defending on the side of an assailant is pretty depraved. It makes normal people want to puke.
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The problem with this is the magical "assailant" somehow beat him without trauma. You are right that you have to think about proof, and in this case that version of events with a fire extinguisher and an attack with brute force causing his death has no supporting evidence. It's almost enough to make a normal person want to puke.
 
Damocles said:
The problem with this is the magical "assailant" somehow beat him without trauma. You are right that you have to think about proof, and in this case that version of events with a fire extinguisher and an attack with brute force causing his death has no supporting evidence. It's almost enough to make a normal person want to puke.
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Do you think any of that changes how the day should be viewed or portrayed?
 
Nordberg said:
The fact is the Trump insurrection resulted in his death. It is really, just that easy.
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Do you have a copy of the medical examiner’s report to share with the class?

I got burnt by being pissed at Chauvin for ‘suffocating’ Floyd—and then I saw the medical report. Fool me once, shame on leftist propaganda; fool me twice, shame on me.
 
How is it that all summer, most on the right were yelling about Democrats not being forceful enough in their condemnation of the riots that took place - but when there is a conservative riot, we get this kind of hairsplitting, and Trump can say "We love you" to those acting violently with nary a word of protest from his supporters?
 
BartenderElite said:
Do you think any of that changes how the day should be viewed or portrayed?
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I think that knowing what happened can frame the day differently. If everybody believes a lie, it doesn't make it true. So, the idea that some folks attacked and beat this guy to death with a fire extinguisher is false, using it to define the folks that did that is also a lie... because nobody did that... Whole portions of the "evil" assigned to folks because of that action do not actually exist.

Understanding reality can change how we think of things.
 
Damocles said:
I think that knowing what happened can frame the day differently. If everybody believes a lie, it doesn't make it true. So, the idea that some folks attacked and beat this guy to death with a fire extinguisher is false, using it to define the folks that did that is also a lie... because nobody did that...

Understanding reality can change how we think of things.
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Does that one incident change how you view the events of that day, regardless of how accurate that single report is?
 
Darth Omar said:
First it was reported that the Capitol cop, Officer Sicknick, was killed via blunt trauma from a fire extinguisher.

Then it turned out he died the next day from a stroke[?].

But only after democrats used his death as kind of a lynch pin for their ‘insurrection/domestic terrorism’ narrative. Apart from that despicable aspect, it raises the question of how, exactly, it was ‘established’ that this veteran and respected officer died at the hands of a Trump supporter.

I wish it wasn’t plausible it was just made up for political purposes. Sadly, it’s not. It’s entirely plausible.
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Again these fucking evil pricks on the left would kill their mother if they thought it would destroy trump. I don't believe anything those subhuman pieces of shit say.
 
BartenderElite said:
Does that one incident change how you view the events of that day, regardless of how accurate that single report is?
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It would, yes. Did folks attack and beat folks to death? In one fabrication, yes they did. In the second more reality based story everybody who died, died either from natural causes (heart attack/stroke), by misadventure (accidentally trampled), shot by a police officer (Air Force Lady), and by mysterious causes... but not by folks beating others to death. That changes how I think of that day, yes. In one of the scenarios the crowd armed themselves with fire extinguishers and murdered people, in the other, they did not murder anybody.
 
Damocles said:
It would, yes. Did folks attack and beat folks to death? In one fabrication, yes they did. In the second more reality based story everybody who died, died either from natural causes (heart attack/stroke), by misadventure (accidentally trampled), shot by a police officer (Air Force Lady), and by mysterious causes... but not by folks beating others to death. That changes how I think of that day, yes. In one of the scenarios the crowd armed themselves with fire extinguishers and murdered people, in the other, they did not murder anybody.
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Did you see the footage of people getting beaten with hockey sticks and flagpoles?
 
Damocles said:
The problem with this is the magical "assailant" somehow beat him without trauma. You are right that you have to think about proof, and in this case that version of events with a fire extinguisher and an attack with brute force causing his death has no supporting evidence. It's almost enough to make a normal person want to puke.
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And where does it say he had no trauma? Do you have med reports? You can die many ways from a strike like that, with or without head trauma. This whole discussion is mental masturbation for some lame little weenie confirmation bias. You don't know shit on it, Darth definitely doesn't know shit it, I don't know shit on it. I just go without the need for a confirmation crutch and realize someone was attacked in a way that could kill anyone and later died. Having a different reaction without anything outright confirming something is a confirmation bias reaction. it makes you a defender of the attack and inhumane acts. Tell me again who deserves to feel like they want to vomit? The one defending a lost life or the one defending hearsay semantics they have little to no info on?
 
Damocles said:
The problem with this is the magical "assailant" somehow beat him without trauma. You are right that you have to think about proof, and in this case that version of events with a fire extinguisher and an attack with brute force causing his death has no supporting evidence. It's almost enough to make a normal person want to puke.
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So of all the things that happened that day (or didn't), this is the one that makes you want to puke? Interesting. I saw some other things I found a lot more 'puke' worthy.
 
Damocles said:
It would, yes. Did folks attack and beat folks to death? In one fabrication, yes they did. In the second more reality based story everybody who died, died either from natural causes (heart attack/stroke), by misadventure (accidentally trampled), shot by a police officer (Air Force Lady), and by mysterious causes... but not by folks beating others to death. That changes how I think of that day, yes. In one of the scenarios the crowd armed themselves with fire extinguishers and murdered people, in the other, they did not murder anybody.
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You aren't paying any attention to the video from that day. I'd strongly suggest you watch it. if you claim you have, then your take is revolting.
 
Damocles said:
They have stated that no charges are pending from his death, which tells me that he was not murdered as this was one extremely investigated death. After the supposed attack he texted his brother saying he had been pepper sprayed twice but was "feeling good" and doing fine. Then hospital... and the next day he died. But it wasn't from blunt force trauma as there was no evidence of that at all. So, all we have is no answer at all, they will not release the autopsy and nobody will ever be charged and the report that there was no trauma...

So, of the 5 people that died that day we have a heart attack on the steps, a stroke near a fake gallows outside (person never entered the building), one who was shot (they have not released any information on that investigation either), one that was apparently trampled and Officer Sicknick who was not bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. All were Trump supporters.
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well that part's correct anyway

oh, or was it BLM and antifa members in the mob? whatyathink
 
BartenderElite said:
Did you see the footage of people getting beaten with hockey sticks and flagpoles?
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What I know is not one of them died. There is a difference between murder and what I saw. In your false narrative they gathered together grabbed a fire extinguisher and literally murdered a police officer. In the more reality based scenario they murdered nobody at all. There is a reason we give much larger sentences to folks who kill people and folks who hurt people. Both are crimes, but we view murder as much worse.

If Ted Bundy never killed anybody, he'd still be alive today even if he serially attacked folks without killing them. We'd view him much differently than we do today...

Anyway. The answer is still yes, I would, and do, view that day differently knowing that the crowd did not murder anybody. If that changes, my view of the day will change.
 
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