Yes, but people who use prescription pain pills always have a medically valid reason for it.
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The Feds admit marijuana effective in treating cancer and insomnia
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Yes, but people who use prescription pain pills always have a medically valid reason for it.
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The Almighty
The thing is, they don't test or anything for it... you would have to get busted for it for them to know... until now with the Medical MJ registry. If it is legal for medicinal use, they should not be able to use that against you. Yet it was made clear to us by our legal peeps that the SEC and FINRA are cross checking the medical MJ databases with their licensed reps records.
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The Almighty
yeah, but I am just biased, the prescription stuff is actually way way better for me, I just don't want to admit it because I prefer natural stuff to manufactured.
Should we legalize meth labs too? I mean, as long as they keep it for in home use?
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SmarterthanYou
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who owns your body? you or the government?
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No, we should keep them illegal so that idiots keep blowing themselves up and gang violence can continue unabated.
zappasguitar
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he obviously isn't going to win this debate with facts, so naturally he's got to resort to ridiculous equivalency argments.
zappasguitar
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Focus like a laser beam sunshine...we were talking MARIJUANA.
Try to stick to the topic.
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The Almighty
Let him go to meth... the position still stands... drugs being illegal actually makes them more dangerous to society due to the gang wars that develop as well as the idiots who create meth labs doing so in unsafe manners.
Punish those that do harm while under the influence of drugs. If someone wants to fuck up their life with meth... their choice. Same as with alcohol etc...
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I suppose it's an equivalency w/ a purist libertarian argument, but it's basically a false equivalency for those who want to see pot legalized, but understand that drugs like heroin & meth are insanely addictive & destructive in a way that deserves a different classification than marijuana.
SmarterthanYou
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OR, one could actually consider that heroin and meth require some sort of manufacturing, thus falling within the commerce clause, whereas marijuana is a natural growing plant and only takes drying to be usable. just my opinion though.
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I agree with that, but the question remains: does prohibition actually work for them? I think the money we spend trying to keep them illegal would be better served helping those on the drugs to begin with. It isn't a libertarian argument so much as one of effectiveness. I don't use any hard stuff, but I could easily get it if I did. It isn't hard to locate those that produce such drugs.
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I get the arguments, and agree to a point - but the addicitveness is a real dealbreaker w/ me. I don't want kids or anyone exposed to that on a legal level.
Also, I think the war on meth in particular is much more "fightable" than the war on other drugs, because it is mainly domestic.
Last, it just isn't a winnable argument. As we've seen, the majority in this country is starting to tilt toward pot legalization, and there are good reasons for that. Most have at least tried pot, understand the nature of the drug and see it as "relatively" harmless. Meth, by comparison, shouts from the rooftops why it is illegal and should remain so w/ every destroyed life it touches.
Sure meth and heroin are more problematic than marijuana and we should deal with each seperately. Even still our approach would improve with more libertarian attitudes.
People are going to use drugs to make themselves feel better. Trying to criminalize it based on the users intent implies one has a right to avoid pain but not to seek pleasure. That distinction is usually based on puritanical bs and libertarian arguments are effective against it. But it can also be based on collectivist bullshit. If you own your own body then the distinction between pain and pleasure is not relevant.
If we understand that a person has individual rights over their body then the arguments for preventing use can be more about public health and harm reduction. If we reason that a person has no rights to use drugs because a person's value is in serving god/state, that drugs are immoral and turn you over to the devil and/or make you unproductive then it becomes acceptable to deal with drugs as a criminal issue.
Legalizing meth and heroin might lead to really bad consequences or maybe it would not. I don't really know, but legalizing marijuana would likely reduce the harm caused by both and the harm caused by currently legal drugs.
People are going to use drugs no matter what and no amount of "resolve" or repressive force is going to change that. Anybody that knows the first damn thing about economics knows that humans will substitute on good for another. It's really stupid to restrict a drug that has many benefits and few negatives.
People are going to use drugs to make themselves feel better. Trying to criminalize it based on the users intent implies one has a right to avoid pain but not to seek pleasure. That distinction is usually based on puritanical bs and libertarian arguments are effective against it. But it can also be based on collectivist bullshit. If you own your own body then the distinction between pain and pleasure is not relevant.
If we understand that a person has individual rights over their body then the arguments for preventing use can be more about public health and harm reduction. If we reason that a person has no rights to use drugs because a person's value is in serving god/state, that drugs are immoral and turn you over to the devil and/or make you unproductive then it becomes acceptable to deal with drugs as a criminal issue.
Legalizing meth and heroin might lead to really bad consequences or maybe it would not. I don't really know, but legalizing marijuana would likely reduce the harm caused by both and the harm caused by currently legal drugs.
People are going to use drugs no matter what and no amount of "resolve" or repressive force is going to change that. Anybody that knows the first damn thing about economics knows that humans will substitute on good for another. It's really stupid to restrict a drug that has many benefits and few negatives.
What are you driving at?
It is a winning argument. The addictive qualities do not change the fact that CRIMINALIZATION creates problems. We don't have to restrict access through criminalization.
SmarterthanYou
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that the government has no power to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body. pot, alcohol, meth, whatever. If you want to OD on arsenic and acid, have at it. personal use or possession should not be a criminal act. selling and dealing, yes. use, no.
I can witness to oth of these. Marijuana was an absolute blessing, I had severe side effects from the anti nausea education my oncologist prescribed.
I also use it to sleep.
My oncologist prescribed Effexor because I was having severe mood swings and hot flashes, chemo threw in into menapause overdrive. I hated the Effexor and its side effects, I used marijuania to help ease myself off Effexor, you cant't quit cold turkey because you have withdrawal symptoms. I learned this the hard way by forgetting my medication at home on a trip to fish! It was horrible!
I am very pro medical marijuana.