The Case for Banning Sharia Law in America

Alias said:
Why should muslims be allowed to use their religious laws in a court of law when it comes to divorce? Divorce laws are civil laws in the USA. What is you reason for excluding our civil laws in favor of one religion being allowed to use their religious laws?
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What's your take on the Catholic requirement that a marriage has to be performed by a priest or the marriage is invalid? And that's even if only one of the parties is Catholic.
 
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The House passed a non-binding resolution reaffirming 'In God We Trust' as the national motto.

The measure sponsored by Republican Representative Randy Forbes supports and encourages the motto's display in all public schools and government buildings

'As our nation faces challenging times, it is appropriate for Members of Congress and our nation—like our predecessors—to firmly declare our trust in God, believing that it will sustain us for generations to come,' he continued.

The measure comes at a time when 82.3 per cent of Americans disapprove of the job that Congress is doing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056756/US-Congress-reaffirm-In-God-We-Trust-national-motto.html
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The collective IQ of the House is sinking fast.
 
Alias said:
LOL. You just denied Sharia Law is being used in 23 states in court cases. Why do lie for Islam? How much are they paying you? Maybe your eyesight is failing.

"The sharia debate in the U.S. is heating up as more and more Americans are reacting to lawyers requesting rulings based on sharia law, and local judges agreeing to make them. This has happened in a New Jersey divorce case, a Maryland child custody case, and most recently in a Florida property case. These cases are now a precedent for other American-Muslim communities. In addition, according to the Center for Security Policy study that was published in May 2011, there are actually over fifty Appellate Court cases from 23 states that all involve conflicts between sharia law and American state law."
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Yet once again you can only cite the specifics of one particular case...I don't care for the generalized ramblings of some nutcase at the "Center for Security Policy"...I want specific court cases...if there are REALLY 50 cases then you've got quite a few to choose from.
 
Alias said:
Why should muslims be allowed to use their religious laws in a court of law when it comes to divorce? Divorce laws are civil laws in the USA. What is you reason for excluding our civil laws in favor of one religion being allowed to use their religious laws?
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Mormons also have a very specific set of religious laws that cover marriage and divorce...you going to make the case that they shouldn't be allowed to set their own rules where they differ from our civil laws?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Mormons also have a very specific set of religious laws that cover marriage and divorce...you going to make the case that they shouldn't be allowed to set their own rules where they differ from our civil laws?
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Are Mormon church laws allowed to be used in our civil courts?
 
If I we're to become a president of a country, I think it'll be best to abolish any religion and just to make the people embrace nationalism. That way there will only be one ideal that would encourage unity. That's what I'm afraid of with religion, it creates a parallel power with the government where the people are forced to choose either one of them sooner or later.
 
Jayferr said:
If I we're to become a president of a country, I think it'll be best to abolish any religion and just to make the people embrace nationalism. That way there will only be one ideal that would encourage unity. That's what I'm afraid of with religion, it creates a parallel power with the government where the people are forced to choose either one of them sooner or later.
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We seemed to be doing alright until lately when a certain religion had to start making it all about them.
 
Alias said:
Islam reminds me of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".
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Sounds like the Pro-Life crowd to me...

If I were "Pro-Life," I wouldn't have to take the time to consider much of anything. Just keep repeating that the unborn is innocent. One size fits all. Adoption is the greatest thing ever. And most of all, women must be forced to be subjected to biology--natural occurrences, but only when I say so. If I were Pro-Life, I could be as inconsistent as I wanted. I could complain about Sharia Law, then turn around and force women to behave like I want them to. I could say "I care about women," then say "Oh but if you were raped, you must be forced to have the baby no matter what because you don't matter. Oh, and sluts too. Because they're sluts." I could claim to be "Pro-Child" and sit back as millions of children starve.

In the same breath I could point out that life is sacred, then suggest that women who get abortions and doctors that do it should be condemned to death. I could act as though all pregnancies are happy butterflies and rainbow unicorn fairies. I could live in a fantasy world in my head where no woman ever regrets having children ever. I could claim that birth control promotes sex. Does a seatbelt promote driving?

I could disregard history. I could compare abortion to the Holocaust and slavery, and completely undermine the two. I could bash women for wanting to make medical decisions. I could judge any woman that doesn't want to breed. Women would be nothing but a uterus to me, defined by how many children they have. I could judge everyone and make it clear that I'm judging them. I wouldn't have to be sympathetic to women. I could use emotional appeal after emotional appeal. I could use appeal to nature fallacies.

I wouldn't have to take any religious views other than my own into consideration. And anyone that claimed to belong to my religion that didn't agree 100% with what I have to say would be completely wrong and would need to read the religious text, even though I haven't. They could point out scripture and I could just claim that they are taking it out of context. And while I'm at it, I'll ignore the fact that 83% of women that get abortions identify themselves as religious.
 
Bfgrn said:
Sounds like the Pro-Life crowd to me...

If I were "Pro-Life," I wouldn't have to take the time to consider much of anything. Just keep repeating that the unborn is innocent. One size fits all. Adoption is the greatest thing ever. And most of all, women must be forced to be subjected to biology--natural occurrences, but only when I say so. If I were Pro-Life, I could be as inconsistent as I wanted. I could complain about Sharia Law, then turn around and force women to behave like I want them to. I could say "I care about women," then say "Oh but if you were raped, you must be forced to have the baby no matter what because you don't matter. Oh, and sluts too. Because they're sluts." I could claim to be "Pro-Child" and sit back as millions of children starve.

In the same breath I could point out that life is sacred, then suggest that women who get abortions and doctors that do it should be condemned to death. I could act as though all pregnancies are happy butterflies and rainbow unicorn fairies. I could live in a fantasy world in my head where no woman ever regrets having children ever. I could claim that birth control promotes sex. Does a seatbelt promote driving?

I could disregard history. I could compare abortion to the Holocaust and slavery, and completely undermine the two. I could bash women for wanting to make medical decisions. I could judge any woman that doesn't want to breed. Women would be nothing but a uterus to me, defined by how many children they have. I could judge everyone and make it clear that I'm judging them. I wouldn't have to be sympathetic to women. I could use emotional appeal after emotional appeal. I could use appeal to nature fallacies.

I wouldn't have to take any religious views other than my own into consideration. And anyone that claimed to belong to my religion that didn't agree 100% with what I have to say would be completely wrong and would need to read the religious text, even though I haven't. They could point out scripture and I could just claim that they are taking it out of context. And while I'm at it, I'll ignore the fact that 83% of women that get abortions identify themselves as religious.
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Why dont you start a thread on abortion.

You sound like Islam would be a good fit for you.
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/11/21/cairs-campaign-against-the-truth/
 
Alias said:
Why dont you start a thread on abortion.

You sound like Islam would be a good fit for you.
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/11/21/cairs-campaign-against-the-truth/
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Let's actually LOOK at what a culture looks like when it never had a progressive movement shall we?

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October 16, 2001

What's truly ironic about this whole war is that the conservatives in our country do not seem to realize that the Taliban is simply an extreme version of the same primal impulse that drives them.

In every population there is a distribution of conservative to progressive, aggressive to peaceful, etc.

Of course, it's funny how the same personality type seems to latch on to radically different ideas depending on the society. "Conservatives" here profess a belief in capitalism and extol the virtues of the good old days of the 1950's, a half century ago; "conservatives" in Russia pine for the bygone days of the stability of the old Soviet empire. I believe that the propensity in conservatives is not towards ideologies per se, but rather towards status quo versus change. I'd bet you'd find much more psychologically (and perhaps genetically?) similar between conservatives here and in Russia, despite the fact that they profess supposedly opposite nostalgias.

But of course a typical conservative doesn't look at the conservatism of their enemy and learn to moderate themselves; they see the enemy as an "other", as confirmation of their own rigid views, despite the evident similarity between the two stances.
M. Hadeishi
 
Bfgrn said:
Let's actually LOOK at what a culture looks like when it never had a progressive movement shall we?

Burka.jpg


October 16, 2001

What's truly ironic about this whole war is that the conservatives in our country do not seem to realize that the Taliban is simply an extreme version of the same primal impulse that drives them.

In every population there is a distribution of conservative to progressive, aggressive to peaceful, etc.

Of course, it's funny how the same personality type seems to latch on to radically different ideas depending on the society. "Conservatives" here profess a belief in capitalism and extol the virtues of the good old days of the 1950's, a half century ago; "conservatives" in Russia pine for the bygone days of the stability of the old Soviet empire. I believe that the propensity in conservatives is not towards ideologies per se, but rather towards status quo versus change. I'd bet you'd find much more psychologically (and perhaps genetically?) similar between conservatives here and in Russia, despite the fact that they profess supposedly opposite nostalgias.

But of course a typical conservative doesn't look at the conservatism of their enemy and learn to moderate themselves; they see the enemy as an "other", as confirmation of their own rigid views, despite the evident similarity between the two stances.
M. Hadeishi
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I really think you're trying to make a point, but I'm not sure what it is. Are you saying that conservative women should cover themselves up like muslims?
 
Alias said:
I really think you're trying to make a point, but I'm not sure what it is. Are you saying that conservative women should cover themselves up like muslims?
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What I'm saying is Islamic cultures are ULTRA-conservative. There is NOTHING liberal about them. It gives us a look at what a conservative society REALLY is.
 
Bfgrn said:
What I'm saying is Islamic cultures are ULTRA-conservative. There is NOTHING liberal about them. It gives us a look at what a conservative society REALLY is.
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I see. Do you honesty think conservatives want society to look like Islamic society? Perhaps you're not awake yet. What time is it there?
 
Alias said:
LOL. You just denied Sharia Law is being used in 23 states in court cases. Why do lie for Islam? How much are they paying you? Maybe your eyesight is failing.

"The sharia debate in the U.S. is heating up as more and more Americans are reacting to lawyers requesting rulings based on sharia law, and local judges agreeing to make them. This has happened in a New Jersey divorce case, a Maryland child custody case, and most recently in a Florida property case. These cases are now a precedent for other American-Muslim communities. In addition, according to the Center for Security Policy study that was published in May 2011, there are actually over fifty Appellate Court cases from 23 states that all involve conflicts between sharia law and American state law."
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Do you ever research the cases or do you just spout the Pam Geller line?

Re: the Maryland custody case, all parties are Pakistani nationals. After the parents' bitter divorce, the father was awarded custody of the girl. Then, the mother essentially kidnapped the child and took her to the US, where she remarried. The father demanded that the child be returned to Pakistan with him. The courts decided they didn't have jurisdiction over this matter.

Precedent: In Etter v. Etter, 43 Md. App. 395, 398, 405 A.2d 760 (1979), this court recognized: "A court is allowed to decline jurisdiction of a child custody proceeding to deter abduction of children for the purpose of obtaining a custody award."

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=2264949915354454678&q=hosain+malik&hl=en&as_sdt=2,9

I read a book called Not Without My Daughter. The circumstances were reversed. The American mother kidnapped her daughter from the Iranian father. People applauded her bravery in getting the daughter back to America. I guess it all depends on whose ox is being gored.
 
Alias said:
I see. Do you honesty think conservatives want society to look like Islamic society? Perhaps you're not awake yet. What time is it there?
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Yes, very similar, where women are second class citizens and subservient to men.
 
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