The Affidavit

evince said:
The VAST majority of this nation


Your base is melting away


Even with foreign nations helping republicans cheat


You can’t win anymore



Even by rigging the electoral angle
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75% say the nation is going in the wrong direction. Quit believing in the fake news.

Or dont, either way you lose.
 
evince said:
Is the FBI bad?
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leadership is corrupt and an unfortunate number of rank and file. Only 35,000 of them. Badly out numbered.

Is the DOJ bad?
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leadership is corrupt and an unfortunate number of rank and file. About 100,000 of them but most are not armed and the rest are ill prepared to fight, again, badly outnumbered.

Let’s not forget the growing list of American professionals you have to hate now
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I dont hate random professionals and most of them agree with me that the nation is going in the wrong direction. 75% of them.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Something like that. I can only hypothesize until you provide me more data, Sybil.

Thanks on imagination! I do have a great imagination, but it's tempered by reason so "over-active" isn't true. Imagination, as you know, is a sign of intelligence. Intelligence recognizes intelligence but dumbasses only see dumbasses. I've always noted your above average intelligence, Sybil.


I've never hidden my reasons for believing you and your "friends" are all the same person, Sybil. What fascinates me so much is understanding why you are so bothered by it. LOL

Do you really believe that you are the smartest person in the room?
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Hallucinations are not intelligence, dude.
 
Celticguy said:
leadership is corrupt and an unfortunate number of rank and file. Only 35,000 of them. Badly out numbered.

leadership is corrupt and an unfortunate number of rank and file. About 100,000 of them but most are not armed and the rest are ill prepared to fight, again, badly outnumbered.



I dont hate random professionals and most of them agree with me that the nation is going in the wrong direction. 75% of them.
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You have not one shred of proof of any of that


Just internets mouth pooping



The FBI in fact has the level of proof that withstood the hurdles of our justice system to obtain a n actual search warrant


In fact after the fact it turns out the FBI knew what they were talking about


Trump indeed had more stolen documents



Very sensitive documents that could get people killed in the wrong hands



You



Have nothing
 
evince said:
We don’t have to let you idiots kill people


We will defend this nation and it’s people from threats foreign or Domestic
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Conducting a coup is not defending the nation, dude. Election fraud is not defending the nation either. Neither is fascism nor communism. You even get the cliche wrong. You despise, deny, and discard the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of every State. You support The Oligarchy. Don't try to hide behind the document you despise.
 
evince said:
The VAST majority of this nation


Your base is melting away


Even with foreign nations helping republicans cheat


You can’t win anymore



Even by rigging the electoral angle
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You don't get to speak for everyone. You are not God. Omniscience fallacy.
It is DEMOCRATS that committed election fraud and caused the election to fault. Inversion fallacy.
It is DEMOCRATS that embrace the help of foreign nations like China and Russia.

Inversion fallacy.
 
evince said:
You have not one shred of proof of any of that
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His numbers are rounded off, but generally accurate.
evince said:
Just internets mouth pooping
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That's right. Just keep ignoring it.
evince said:
The FBI in fact has the level of proof that withstood the hurdles of our justice system to obtain a n actual search warrant
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The FBI is not a proof. There is no 'justice system'. The Justice Dept is not hurdles. Political persecution and filing lies on affidavits is itself a crime. That's Democrats, dude. That's also perjury.
evince said:
In fact after the fact it turns out the FBI knew what they were talking about

Trump indeed had more stolen documents
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What stolen documents????!?
evince said:
Very sensitive documents that could get people killed in the wrong hands
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What stolen documents????!?
evince said:
You
Have nothing
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You are describing yourself. Inversion fallacy.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Let's see...

Reading through it...

1. The National Archives and FBI knew the documents were there and exactly where they were.
2. The National Archives and FBI had previously visited the property and that's why they knew the documents were there.

So, did Trump stop them from taking these documents on previous visits?

If the answer is yes, they might have something.

If the answer is no, then the FBI and DoJ just screwed the pooch.
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Yes he did stop them from taking them....

During federal authorities’ visit to Mar-a-Lago on June 3, Trump’s lawyers stated that “no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises and that all available boxes were searched”. The former president’s “counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained.”

After that initial visit the FBI found out that was bullshit and many of the classified documents remained.

Further investigation by the FBI found evidence suggesting “that a search limited to the Storage Room would not have uncovered all the classified documents at the Premises” and concluded “that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation.” That evidence prompted federal authorities to apply for the search warrant that ultimately resulted in the Aug. 8 raid.

Sure enough they were right. The search warrant was obviously justified and Trump is guilty of not only stealing documents not belonging to him and trying to obstruct the DoJ from getting them back.

"The materials discovered during the most recent raid were so classified that “even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents.” Among the documents uncovered by FBI agents on Aug. 8 were three classified documents found inside desks in Trump’s personal office, as well as 13 boxes containing an 100 additional documents with classification markings ranging from “CONFIDENTIAL” to “TOP SECRET” — a discovery which, the filing notes, was double the amount of materials turned over by Trump’s lawyers on June 3."
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why are the fascists always the first to call others. Nazis?......
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The left does not have a fucking Fuhrer that lies repeatedly with a hoard of Nazi's that believe him. Trump claims he is still president and the election was stolen yet he doesn't have a shred of credible evidence to so much as suggest what he is saying is true. Then he has an army that says they believe him (I think they know better) regardless of the truth. That is Fascism to a fucking T and the left has nothing like it.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Care to wager that this ends with Trump's conviction?
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Maybe not. The only way he would not be indicted is if those documents are so secret that they cannot show them to a jury of his peers. That is what it will take to get a conviction. If the DoJ has to withhold evidence for the sake of national security their case may be severely limited.

Like Trumps stupid claim for a master. That is what you have PRIOR to a search to weed out what the (FBI in this case) are allowed to see and take. It's too late for that now, the DoJ has already seen everything. But his stupid fucking Nazi's are all probably saying "Yeah, there should be a master!". Trump plays his dumbfucks like a fiddle.
 
Port Tack said:
How the fuck do you think they got a warrant if they did not suspect a crime and they found the confidential documents he illegally had at his home. why do you ask such fucking stupid questions?
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seriously?.......by finding a magistrate willing to sign it........now prove the documents found actually ARE confidential documents that he had illegally......
 
Port Tack said:
what crime? Take your pick.

A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who had advised him on how to overturn the 2020 election most likely had committed felonies, including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring to defraud the United States.

Trump also could be charged with “seditious conspiracy”, a rarely used statute that makes it illegal to overthrow the US government by force, a charge that has already been brought against multiple participants in the assault.

Wire fraud-Democrats said in a June hearing of the January 6 committee that Trump, a Republican, raised some $250m from supporters to advance fraudulent claims in court that he won the election, but steered much of the money elsewhere. This raises the possibility that he could be charged with wire fraud, which prohibits obtaining money on “false or fraudulent pretenses”, legal experts said.

Legal experts said Trump may have violated at least three Georgia criminal election laws: conspiracy to commit election fraud, criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, and intentional interference with performance of election duties.

Justice Department on Friday revealed law enforcement was investigating Trump for three main possible infractions: the concealment, mutilation or removal of records; obstruction of justice, including the destruction, alteration or falsification of records in federal investigations; and possible violations of the Espionage Act, which can include the refusal to turn over documents relating to national security upon request as well as transmitting or losing such information.
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so pick one and try it.....you've thought you had him in jail at least five times since 2016.......don't expect people to take your bullshit seriously......
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If he hid the documents and didn't tell them about them, then how did they know exactly what documents he had and where they were?
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Because they saw the fucking boxes of them the first time they were there and were not allowed to look in them. They knew what documents the asshole had and they were not all in those turned over on Jun 3. And, the reason they knew they were there is also explained in that affidavit in the blacked out sections. What fucking difference does that make, they found them when they returned with a warrant saying get the fuck out of my way, we will search where the fuck we want to.
 
Into the Night said:
Nope. No crime. Learn what 'fact' means. It does not mean 'Universal Truth'. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).

It does.

What shit?

What crime?

What crime?

He did.
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Why don't you just shut the fuck up? The crime is as plain as fucking day, it's only a Trump nazi that debates it.
 
Port Tack said:
Among the documents uncovered by FBI agents on Aug. 8 were three classified documents found inside desks in Trump’s personal office, as well as 13 boxes containing an 100 additional documents with classification markings ranging from “CONFIDENTIAL” to “TOP SECRET” — a discovery which, the filing notes, was double the amount of materials turned over by Trump’s lawyers on June 3."[/I]
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provide a link to this info.....its obviously a paste but more detailed than anything I have seen in the news.......I'm curious about how this came to be public information.......
 
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