That poll of Palestinians showing support for Hamas: view w/ skepticism

Nordberg said:
Israel has killed over 10K Gazans and over 2000 are kids. Their infrastructure is being demolished and many homes are leveled. Hospitals are flattened. Those who will not get a vote are Israelis. They have created another generation of Palestinians who will never stop hating them.
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Israel is responding to the slaughter of their citizens.

Hamas, who uses human shields, is responsible for innocent deaths in Gaza.

Get a clue, Nordy.
 
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Earl said:
If Hamas had not attacked innocent Israelis, there would be no war in Gaza.
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Is that supposed to mean that innocent civilians in Gaza don't deserve support & sympathy? And that they shouldn't be protected?

I have condemned Hamas, expressed support for Israel, AND expressed support for Palestinians in Gaza.

You haven't said one word in support of the latter. There are many innocent people suffering & dying in Gaza right now.
 
If Americans had stopped fighting the Germans in WWII, even though some Germans did not support the Nazis, we would have lost the war.

The Palestinians made the decision to have Hamas represent them years ago and they have not changed their representation.

They made a very bad decision.
 
The deaths of the innocents in Gaza are directly related to the slaughter of Israelis.

Israel is RESPONDING to the slaughter of their citizens.

Innocents always die in war and Hamas started the war.
 
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Earl said:
The Palestinians selected Hamas to be their governmental representative.

Get a clue, the Palestinians did this to themselves.
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They won 44 percent of the vote in the election which was in 2006. The majority of Palestinians of today did not participate in that vote. We have no idea if they favor Hamas now. After Israel destroys their homeland, it might be possible that are leaning toward Hamas. But nobody knows that for sure.
 
BartenderElite said:
A few have posted it here, as some sort of proof that the civilian population of Gaza doesn't deserve support or sympathy. It supposedly shows majority support for Hamas and for the attacks on Israel.

A few caveats w/ this one:

- Close to 40% of the population there is children, who are not polled
- There is no electricity in most of Gaza. Apparently, the poll was "in person"
- Hamas rule is not unlike rule in Nazi Germany or the old Soviet Union: anyone who criticizes the government in those regimes risks potentially severe reprisals from the government, for themselves and their families

The civilians of Gaza deserve support, and as much protection from what is happening as they can get. Humanitarian conditions there right now are unimaginably bad.
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I suggest taking with equal or greater skepticism the casualty numbers Hamas is putting out about numbers of people killed in Gaza...

As for your post, what the people of Gaza really need is to be free of the terrorists and other shitheads running their country. Maybe with Hamas et al., gone, Palestinians in Gaza can go on to lead peaceful and productive lives rather than ones filled with hate for their neighbors and rage in their souls.
 
Nordberg said:
They won 44 percent of the vote in the election which was in 2006. The majority of Palestinians of today did not participate in that vote. We have no idea if they favor Hamas now. After Israel destroys their homeland, it might be possible that are leaning toward Hamas. But nobody knows that for sure.
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Their homeland would not be destroyed if Hamas, their representative, had not decided to behead Israeli men, women and children.

Hamas started the war. Israel is finishing it, as we speak.
 
Earl said:
The Palestinians selected Hamas to be their governmental representative.

Get a clue, the Palestinians did this to themselves.
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The Germans elected Hitler. You're making the thread's point and don't even realize it.
 
The terrorist supporters in America are calling for a ceasefire now.

If Hamas had not attacked Israel, there would have been no war or need for a ceasefire.

The best that the Palestinians can now hope for is that Gaza becomes a demilitarized zone and some Muslim countries accept them into their countries.

Would America accept Canada firing hundreds of rockets daily into our county or attacking and beheading our children?

The Israelis do not accept it either.

When Hamas uses human shields and puts their military installations under hospitals and schools and apartment buildings, the collateral damage and deaths are on Hamas. They want their citizens killed to affect public opinion.
 
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Watching the years of turmoil between the Israelis and Palestinians sort of reminds me of back in the days when my two children were children and getting into sibling rivalries.

I knew then as I know now, DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE of trying to take a side in the matters.

Well, because I loved both of them, and it always boiled down to a misunderstanding between them, and there were always logical solutions to settling all the fuss.

When I look at Israels plight over the last 78 years, I perfectly understand their concerns and problems, and want to see them all resolved.

When I look at the Palestinians plight over the last 78 years, I perfectly understand their concerns and problems, and want to see them resolved as well.

There is no side in this matter that is perfectly innocent. There is enough blame to go around on both sides. And I blame this on POLITICS- NOT RELIGIONS.

This is not a war between Religions as a lot of people would like to say. Granted, it may have started out that way, but through the years, this has become more of a Political and Turf war!

There are bad politics involved on both sides. Hamas EXTREMIST TERRORIST VIEWS are to blame for the bad politics on the Palestinian side. And the EXTREME RIGHT-WING politics within Israel, are to blame for all of the Bad Politics on the Israel side.

What hangs in the balance, are millions of innocent Israelis, and millions of innocent Palestinians who are not Extremists, who believe in the Freedom of Religion, who did not choose their EXTREMIST leaders, who want a two state solution, and just want to live in peace with their neighbors!

The only solution is a Two State solution.

So, if I am to choose a side, I am on the side of both the Palestinians and the Israelis who are caught up in the middle of the WAR, who want the TWO-STATE solution.

Unfortunately, we will never get there so long as EXTREMISTS are leading both territories right now- BOTH ISRAEL and PALESTINIA!

Terrorism is certainly wrong! But I also believe EXTREME RIGHT WING politics are also wrong, because they use and justify retaliatory Terrorism, as well, to accomplish their political goals- AND THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN HAMAS IN TERMS OF USING TERRORISM!

I keep hearing Extreme Right Wingers complaining and accusing the Palestinians of choosing their bad leadership! Well, if this can be said (WHICH IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING TRUE IN MY OPINION), then I can say the same thing about ISRAELIS choosing their EXTREME RIGHT WING LEADERS (Which is also not true in my OPINION) BUT IT SURE IS EASY TO SAY- ISN'T IT?

Terrorism will never resolve the Israeli and Palestinia Conflict- and both sides are recklessly using it as we speak!

NEXT!
 
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BartenderElite said:
How do you know they support Hamas?

Imagine being a citizen in Nazi Germany. Someone comes around doing an "in person" poll, and asks you if you support or oppose Hitler.

If you go w/ the latter, even if you do oppose him - probably a good chance that's your last day of freedom. And maybe your family too.
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The nazi children were Hitler Youth. I'm sure Gazan children are also indoctrinated to hate Jews, as our own U.S. youth are.
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
Watching the years of turmoil between the Israelis and Palestinians sort of reminds me of back in the days when my two children were children and getting into sibling rivalries.

I knew then as I know now, DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE of trying to take a side in the matters.

Well, because I loved both of them, and it always boiled down to a misunderstanding between them, and there were always logical solutions to settling all the fuss.

When I look at Israels plight over the last 78 years, I perfectly understand their concerns and problems, and want to see them all resolved.

When I look at the Palestinians plight over the last 78 years, I perfectly understand their concerns and problems, and want to see them resolved as well.

There is no side in this matter that is perfectly innocent. There is enough blame to go around on both sides. And I blame this on POLITICS- NOT RELIGIONS.

This is not a war between Religions as a lot of people would like to say. Granted, it may have started out that way, but through the years, this has become more of a Political and Turf war!

There are bad politics involved on both sides. Hamas EXTREMIST TERRORIST VIEWS are to blame for the bad politics on the Palestinian side. And the EXTREME RIGHT-WING politics within Israel, are to blame for all of the Bad Politics on the Israel side.

What hangs in the balance, are millions of innocent Israelis, and millions of innocent Palestinians who are not Extremists, who believe in the Freedom of Religion, who did not choose their EXTREMIST leaders, who want a two state solution, and just want to live in peace with their neighbors!

The only solution is a Two State solution.

So, if I am to choose a side, I am on the side of both the Palestinians and the Israelis who are caught up in the middle of the WAR, who want the TWO-STATE solution.

Unfortunately, we will never get there so long as EXTREMISTS are leading both territories right now- BOTH ISRAEL and PALESTINIA!

Terrorism is certainly wrong! But I also believe EXTREME RIGHT WING politics are also wrong, because they use and justify retaliatory Terrorism, as well, to accomplish their political goals- AND THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN HAMAS IN TERMS OF USING TERRORISM!

Terrorism will never resolve the Israeli and Palestinia Conflict- and both sides are recklessly using it as we speak!

NEXT!
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Total horse mierda.

There is no moral equivalence between the be-headers in Hamas and Israel…none.

The Palestinians were offered a two state solution and declined.

You are morbidly naive, Gecko.
 
When the Palestinian children grow to be adults, they have the choice to be terrorists or not.

It appears that they favor terrorism.
 
Earl said:
Total horse mierda.

There is no moral equivalence between the be-headers in Hamas and Israel…none.

The Palestinians were offered a two state solution and declined.
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You are morbidly naive, Gecko.
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Earl, you are a well known RIGHT WING EXTREMIST, and I do not care to hear your opinions on this subject at all- because they are not based on facts!

SIR, YOU are part of the problem I perfectly described!

Next!
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Earl, you are a well known RIGHT WING EXTREMIST, and I do not care to hear your opinions on this subject at all- because they are not based on facts!

SIR, YOU are part of the problem I perfectly described!

Next!
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It is not extremism to support Israel vs. the terrorist group, Hamas. It is US government policy.

Everything that I have posted is fact driven. Hamas attacked Israel and beheaded and burned Israelis infants and burned them alive.

Israel is responding to these attacks as any other nation would.

Innocents are being killed because Hamas wants them killed...otherwise, why put their military operations under hospitals...schools?

Is that sand getting in your eyes, Gecko?
 
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