Texas man beats 6-year-old neighbor with bat
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Into the Night
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Austin, TX is primarily DEMOCRATS, dumbass.
Into the Night
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Ignoring what is happening is not going to work, Nordbutt.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
If baseball bats ever became the weapon of choice for murderers and if baseball bat murders were to ever reach the epidemic levels that gun murders have reached a long time ago, then yes, I would support banning them for everyone except baseball players and make it illegal to possess them anywhere but on a baseball field or in a registered sports training facility.
But we both know that's an absurd scenario because baseball bat murders will never reach those levels. So to even suggest that it could be an issue or to even ask the question "Should we ban baseball bats" is fucking retarded and nothing more than a typical sidestep right-wingers use when confronted with the unprecedented level of pain, misery and death their precious surrogate testicles are responsible for.
serendipity
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Does anybody know why this arsehole attacked a six year old at 5 am, what's that all about?
T. A. Gardner
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That was the whole point of stating that, it's an absurd scenario. Banning the tool does nothing to stop the violence. Those that would be violent simply pick another tool. Britain demonstrates that very clearly. There, the government banned firearms because gun deaths were high. The violent stopped using guns and chose knives instead and the murder rate remained about the same. The government cracked down on knives. The violent went to sharpened screwdrivers and hammers... Banning the tool doesn't work.
The problem is getting the violent to not be violent. That is far harder to do and, in turn, that's why unimaginative bureaucrats in government don't go that route. That would entail hard work and creativity, something bureaucracies loathe. Better to do something simple that can be pointed to as "doing something," than actually understanding the problem and fixing it.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Link to murder stats pre and post gun ban, please.
I cannot see mass knifings ever becoming a thing.
Britain's gun crime epidemic: Firearm offences in London soar 2,500% in one year with 850 incidents in England and Wales
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...500-one-year-850-incidents-England-Wales.html
T. A. Gardner
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Knife crime: Fatal stabbings at highest level since records began in 1946
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47156957
Fatal stabbings in England and Wales at highest level since records began
Figures from the Office for National Statistics show 282 homicides were committed using a knife or sharp instrument in the year to March 2022 - a 19% rise compared with the previous year.
https://news.sky.com/story/fatal-st...at-highest-level-since-records-began-12806729
Knife Killings Surge to Record High Number in England and Wales
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...in-2021-22-was-highest-for-76-years#xj4y7vzkg
Both mass shootings and stabbings are rare in the UK, but both have happened. Since such incidents, even in the US, are exceedingly rare compared to murders and violent assaults, there isn't much reason to base anything on those alone.
For example, this one occurred back in April of this year:
Bodmin murder probe: One dead, seven injured in stabbing near nightclub
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-65441538
So, they do happen, but as I stated they are rare, just as mass shootings were /are in the UK.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Knife crime: Fatal stabbings at highest level since records began in 1946
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47156957
Fatal stabbings in England and Wales at highest level since records began
Figures from the Office for National Statistics show 282 homicides were committed using a knife or sharp instrument in the year to March 2022 - a 19% rise compared with the previous year.
https://news.sky.com/story/fatal-st...at-highest-level-since-records-began-12806729
Knife Killings Surge to Record High Number in England and Wales
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...in-2021-22-was-highest-for-76-years#xj4y7vzkg
Both mass shootings and stabbings are rare in the UK, but both have happened. Since such incidents, even in the US, are exceedingly rare compared to murders and violent assaults, there isn't much reason to base anything on those alone.
For example, this one occurred back in April of this year:
Bodmin murder probe: One dead, seven injured in stabbing near nightclub
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-65441538
So, they do happen, but as I stated they are rare, just as mass shootings were /are in the UK.
Those are impressive sounding numbers until you consider that the stabbing rate per million in the US is half again as much as it is in Britain....
So that means that while Britain only has a knife crime problem, the US also has a (much worse) knife crime problem PLUS an insanely high gun crime rate as well.
IOW, they have the one problem, we have both.
And honestly, no gun control advocates have ever claimed that without guns there'd be no violence or crime.
Just that it would be vastly lower.
ExpressLane
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We have a group in our population that committees the majority of murders per capita. Elang has fewer of that minority so the US and UK can't really be compare because we have dissimilar populations.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
This is a variant of the fallacy fallacy.
Your argument in essence is, that the US and UK are interchangeable societies with the same properties. This is not true whatsoever. Criminal law in England is far different from what it is in the US. The makeup of the population is different.
England has a knife problem because they don't allow guns. The US has a crime problem in good part because of the makeup of the population. Like it or don't, the reality in the US is the Black population (about 12.5% today) commit close to 36% of the serious violent crimes in the US, or about triple their number in terms of percent of the population. That isn't racist, it's a fact. It's often denied on the basis of racism, but that's ignorant bullshit.
Then you toss in a non sequitur about gun control advocates.
Crime would not be lower, here or in the UK simply because you ban a tool (guns). Criminals will still commit just as much crime and simply select a different tool.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Are you forgetting what country the American colonists came from?
The US and the UK are basically the same kinds of societies with minor differences.
We are both democracies with very similar legal systems and similar minority percentages.
Yes, England has a "knife problem" because they don't allow guns.
But they DON'T have a gun problem for the same reason. Meaning their overall violent crime rate is lower (probably drastically) than it would be with guns.
And yes, blacks do drive a significant percentage of the violent crime in this country, but much of that is due to the easy availability of guns.
Even if you take away the 36% of violent crimes blacks are responsible for, you'd still have 64% of a problem that has reached insane levels. If guns were not so readily available in the US, blacks would be less prone to violence as would everyone else.
Certainly it's true that if guns were to disappear, a certain percentage of people intent on committing violent acts would find another weapon, but a certain percentage would just forget about whatever violence they had intended to perpetrate due to the added difficulty and risk.
You can't do a knifing from a car driving past your intended victim's house.
You should look up and learn the definition of non sequitur.
Mentioning gun control advocates in a discussion about gun control is hardly a non sequitur.
That's like saying the grass in people's yards would not be higher if we banned lawnmowers. People can find other ways to trim their lawns, but many would just say screw it and not bother.
So your last statement is not only just an opinion that's not based on any kind of empirical evidence, but also one that ignores a common aspect of human nature which is that the more difficult a task becomes (killing people in this case), the more likely it is that many or most people will refrain from the task.