Nice dodge.
Jones is exercising his first amendment rights by burning those books. I'm exercising mine by saying he's an idiot for doing so (and for NOT saying that we should adjust our laws so that he can't do that).
So there.
Terry Jones 15 minutes are about up!
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Nice dodge.
Jones is exercising his first amendment rights by burning those books. I'm exercising mine by saying he's an idiot for doing so (and for NOT saying that we should adjust our laws so that he can't do that).
So there.
christiefan915
Catalyst
It's already been done, and Jews aren't the only people who were killed in the camps.
MARCIN GRAJEWSKI, Reuters
Jerusalem Post
10-06-1997
OSWIECIM, Poland - A stark new Roman Catholic church, designed to recall “a horrific wound to all humanity,” opened yesterday near the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau.
St. Joseph's parish church in Oswiecim was sponsored by the Italian Church in memory of all those murdered in Auschwitz-Birkenau, and of 40,000 Italians who died in various such Nazi camps.
"I pray that this sanctuary will always recall not only the drama of the victims of hatred, but also the mystery of God's love, which banishes death and opens the gates of resurrection," Pope John Paul ll said...
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-3952728.html
christiefan915
Catalyst
Sure, why not? They're expanding into a nearby building because they've outgrown their previous site.
Why would Christians and Jews criticize all of Islam rather than the radicals who were actually responsible for the attack?
The project began over a year ago with little publicity, none negative that i can find, and it was right-wing Islamophobes like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer who turned it into a cause célèbre. Any city should be proud to get a facility like the one planned:
The facility's design includes a 500-seat auditorium, theater, performing arts center, fitness center, swimming pool, basketball court, childcare area, bookstore, culinary school, art studio, food court, September 11 memorial, and prayer space that could accommodate 1,000–2,000 people.
I edited the above for accuracy. Interestingly, there's no mention of the clandestine terrorist training center in this community center.
But, I suppose those sneaky Park 51 muslims want to keep that on the down low.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
No matter what screen name you take, you're still one of the dumbest neocon parrots going.First off, unless you can prove Rauf is a Al Qaeda operative, you're just blowing smoke. Bottom line: Rauf was the Shrub's pick to be a go-between envoy to the Muslim world after 9/11....he's been vetted by all the alphabet security and intelligence agencies. So unless YOU are willing to claim that your boy the Shrub and the neocon cabal that sailed with him were either pure dupes or part of some machievellian plot, you'll just have to settle with being wrong.
Secondly, Rauf is a Sufi. I suggest you do some homework on what the Sufi's are and how they couldn't possibly be seen as alliances by the fanatical and fundamentally radical likes of Al Qaeda or the Taliban. But since folk like you are somewhat dishonest and myopic in your research, here's a primer for you:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/...-imam-behind-new-yorks-islamic-center-is-one/
Third, only willfully ignorant or truly ignorant folk are repeating the neocon mantra of "victory mosque" when in fact the "mosque" will be a prayer area contained within an islamic cultural center, which be contained within a RENOVATED building (hardly fits the classic description of a "victory mosque"...but then again anyone who did any real reading up on the issue would know that). And since a mosque has existed for about 40 years just 2 blocks over, all this hoop-la about "sensitivities" is just a lot of misplaced anger and feelings of frustration over revenge not taken.
Okay, now that's cleared up....any thoughts on what the opening post on this thread presented?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
According to Rauf, he's been trying to find a spot like this for over a decade. Remember, the old Burlington factory was up for grabs...and it was a perfect location not only for the cultural center (architect wise - renovation as opposed to building from the ground up), but also for the "mosque" or prayer room contained within...as just 2 blocks away you've had a terribly over crowded mosque operating for about 40 years.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
hotdog
Victory Shall Be Mine
9/11 is destroying the global economy. Imagine how much money the government could have spent on renewable energy if we hadn't had to get involved in 2 wars. America's economy would all ready be green if we had invested 2 trillion in renewable and nuclear energy instead of in war.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
What I find fascinating here is that all the neocon parrots and Beck idiot's IGNORE the opening post of this thread and instead go on the attack as to invoke some sort of bizarre loyalty oath regarding the Islamic Center construction 2 blocks away from Ground Zero.
To date, Terry Jones has suddenly announced that his book burning is tied to the Park 51 proposal.....a switch from his original proposed book burning aimed to send a warning message to Islam in general. Seems Jones got his 15 minutes and the world sees him for what he is....an asshole with Jim Jones aspirations. So now he's scrambling to try and find some type of legitimacy for his foolishness.
To date, Terry Jones has suddenly announced that his book burning is tied to the Park 51 proposal.....a switch from his original proposed book burning aimed to send a warning message to Islam in general. Seems Jones got his 15 minutes and the world sees him for what he is....an asshole with Jim Jones aspirations. So now he's scrambling to try and find some type of legitimacy for his foolishness.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
This is true...and given our history in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan), I dare say to some extent we have given the extremists the historical high ground when it comes to their propaganda.
But the truth has a funny way of sufacing and clearing the air....and the extremist are finding it more difficult to maintain a foothold in one place for long.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
First off, unless you can prove Rauf is a Al Qaeda operative, you're just blowing smoke. Bottom line: Rauf was the Shrub's pick to be a go-between envoy to the Muslim world after 9/11....he's been vetted by all the alphabet security and intelligence agencies. So unless YOU are willing to claim that your boy the Shrub and the neocon cabal that sailed with him were either pure dupes or part of some machievellian plot, you'll just have to settle with being wrong.
Secondly, Rauf is a Sufi. I suggest you do some homework on what the Sufi's are and how they couldn't possibly be seen as alliances by the fanatical and fundamentally radical likes of Al Qaeda or the Taliban. But since folk like you are somewhat dishonest and myopic in your research, here's a primer for you:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/...-imam-behind-new-yorks-islamic-center-is-one/
Third, only willfully ignorant or truly ignorant folk are repeating the neocon mantra of "victory mosque" when in fact the "mosque" will be a prayer area contained within an islamic cultural center, which be contained within a RENOVATED building (hardly fits the classic description of a "victory mosque"...but then again anyone who did any real reading up on the issue would know that). And since a mosque has existed for about 40 years just 2 blocks over, all this hoop-la about "sensitivities" is just a lot of misplaced anger and feelings of frustration over revenge not taken.
Okay, now that's cleared up....any thoughts on what the opening post on this thread presented?
This particular building was hit with the wheel assembly of one of the planes and two stories were destroyed. That means it is Ground Zero, not two blocks away.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Got news for ya, bunky......the area that was dusted with the remains of the people and buildings of the twin towers is WIDER than that. So we're back to square one.....since when do you have banks, businesses, concession stands, strip clubs, etc. errected on "hallowed ground"? That's what they're doing on Ground Zero (minus the strip clubs)...and that STILL doesn't change the FACT that you have a straight up mosque that's 4 blocks from Ground Zero and has been there for 40 years. So again, all the carrying on about sensitivities" is just a lot of misplaced anger and feelings of frustration over revenge not taken...with a dash of latent prejudice thrown in.
Well, it seems that the good Rev. Jones has been exposed to the world for the poor man's Jim Jones....and his little ploy has landed him international ridicule and a significant loss of to his 50 member congregation.
So bunky, if Jones is the type that you use as a springboard for your anti- NY Islamic cultural center angst, then you're even more pathetic than I realized. Carry on.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
This wasn't a "dusting" Libbey, but a direct hit with a huge part of a plane. The upper two floors had to be structurally rebuilt. They didn't simply pressure wash some dust off.
Reverend Jones
Banned
Islam is of the Devil!!
hotdog
Victory Shall Be Mine
Muslims, Christains, and Jews all worship the same God. The 3 religions have a lot in common. They respect and honor all the prophets of the old testament. Muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet. Muslims follow many of the Jewish laws. The conflict with the middle east is mostly political. Islamic empires were historical more civilized. When the crusaders captured Jurusalem they butchered everyone living in the city. When the muslims recaptured the city they most of its inhabinates alone. When the crusaders captured Constantinople they butchered the people in the city and brought destruction upon it. When the Turks captured the city they didn't devestate it. Muslim empires gave economic and political incentives to get people to convert. Christain empires force people to convert. When the Turks conquered the balkans they respected the christain rights. When the Balkan States got independence they buchered the muslims. Even when they were fighting for indpendence they managed to butcher more muslims then muslims butchered christains and the muslims were the minority. Christain nations question the loyalty of muslims living in their country. When have christains living in a muslim country ever had any loyalty. Why did Britain and France have to colonize the Ottamon empire instead of immediatly granting the arabs their indepenence? Why did the British create the devision between Muslims and Hindu's when they colonized India. Just as disasterous as the europeanian created devision between Hutus and tutsi in Rwanda. Why did Britain and France decide to go to war with Egypt when it nationalized the suez canal. Why did America care that Iran was nationalzing its oil? France, Britain, Italy, Spain colonized Africa. Why did the dutch colonize Indonesia? The world would still be colonized by Europe if it hadn't been for the 2 world wars. The Soviet Union opressed, slaughtered, enslaved a lot of muslims. Isn't any wonder that Russia is currently having problems with muslims. China forces muslims to have abortions, sterilizations. They also put Han's in charge of Turkish regions. Does it suprise anyone that Muslims don't like the government. Arn't the Tebetans just as annoying to the chinese. European countries make it very difficult for muslims to become citizens and to get inolved in politics.
Is it any wonder that their is conflict with muslims?
Reverend Jones
Banned
Islam is of the Devil!!