Terri Schiavo: Family members profit from foundation funds

My opinion is the spouse should have full authority when it comes to medical decisions. In fact, that is the primary reason I married.

Years ago, I had an accident which resulted in being unable to state medical directives. My female partner at the time and my brother vied for authority. The doctors, one of them knowing my brother, decided his directives would be followed. Life and death decisions were made on my behalf, specifically, when my lungs collapsed and my heart required electrical impulses to keep it going.

The question was should I be kept alive when the doctors did not know if I would be paralyzed from the neck down as my spine had been fractured.

Fortunately, I did not suffer paralysis.

While I now have a "living will" I wanted to be sure that should misfortune strike, here or in another country, my wife could speak for me.

I can't imagine a Hell worse than having a beautiful woman by my side and not being able to move. That would be worse than death!

Whatever one may think motivated Michael Schiavo he is a hero in my book. How many people would strive for fifteen years trying to honor a promise?

It wasn't until 1998, 8 years later that Terri's husband, Michael, filed a petition to remove Terri's feeding tub.
He should have requested this sooner if he felt it was really what she would have wanted....
I don't know what this "promise" was that you mention, he waited 8 years.
 
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It wasn't until 1998, 8 years later that Terri's husband, Michael, filed a petition to remove Terri's feeding tub.
He should have requested this sooner if he felt it was really what she would have wanted....
I don't know what this "promise" was that you mention, he waited 8 years.

The thing with brain injury is that rehabilitation must come early and often to both slow the decline brought on by damage suffered and to improve brain function after trauma. Terry's husband refused continued therapy when doctors and nurses all felt that there were signs of improvement...

Somehow in someway I believe the bastard caused the damage in the first place. ER doctors believd that there was trauma to the neck and that her symptoms were similar to those of strangulation victims.
 
It wasn't until 1998, 8 years later that Terri's husband, Michael, filed a petition to remove Terri's feeding tub.
He should have requested this sooner if he felt it was really what she would have wanted....
I don't know what this "promise" was that you mention, he waited 8 years.

Maybe he felt there was a chance for her although I do think 8 years is rather long. There were doctors who believed she could be revived. A tough call to make for some folks.

Years ago, my Aunt was hospitalized. She was 88 and always lived alone. She'd travel to Europe and took pride in her "individualism". As she aged my brother and I suggested she go into a retirement home. She adamantly refused. My mother, her sister, told her she could end up dying alone and one wouldn't know for possibly days. Still, my Aunt wanted no part of a retirement home. She made it clear she would rather die alone than be in an "institution". We decided we'd have someone come by once a day to check on her, prepare her dinner and do a light clean-up.

One day the service lady came by and my Aunt took ill. They rushed her to the hospital and discovered severe bleeding in her stomach. There were complications following the operation.

The doctors explained to my brother and I that the best prognosis was a month or so in the hospital and then to a long care facility. She would never be going home again due to muscle atrophy and general strength loss after prolonged bed rest. At her age her muscles would not regenerate. This was assuming she even survived.

We were asked what we wanted to do; remove the feeding and breathing apparatus or maintain it and hope she recovers enough to go to a care facility. To me, the answer was obvious. As close as we were to her and as much as we cared about her we could not support the idea the last few months or years of her life be spent in what she considered a Hell---- an "institution".

The medical care was stopped and she passed quickly. The sorrow of her passing was quickly overtaken by knowing we did what she would have wanted. She made us promise we would never put her in an "old folks home" and we kept our promise.

Why Michael waited 8 years is something only he knows. In any case he eventually made the right decision.
 
That was a very courageous and loving decision that you and your brother made, apple, and I'm sure that your aunt would have been very grateful to you for understanding and respecting her position. I understand it completely and share her feelings about it.
 
That was a very courageous and loving decision that you and your brother made, apple, and I'm sure that your aunt would have been very grateful to you for understanding and respecting her position. I understand it completely and share her feelings about it.

Thanks, Thorn.

I, as well, feel the same way. When it's time to depart I hope to go quickly, hopefully engaged in .........well, perhaps that's best left for another thread. :rofl:
 
The thing with brain injury is that rehabilitation must come early and often to both slow the decline brought on by damage suffered and to improve brain function after trauma. Terry's husband refused continued therapy when doctors and nurses all felt that there were signs of improvement...

Somehow in someway I believe the bastard caused the damage in the first place. ER doctors believd that there was trauma to the neck and that her symptoms were similar to those of strangulation victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schiavo#Terri.27s_collapse

Go read the facts instead of pandering in gossip
 
Yes, conservatives around the country rallied against what her doctors already knew, she was brain dead. The smiles were merely signals from the brainstem which can function long after the brain itself is dead and shrunken by half. Her fucking brain was HALF its normal size. Well I guess that could make for a good right winger, left winger as well.
I think they had a legitimate point. After all, if we stopped force feeding all the mouth breathing brain dead conservatives, there would hardly be any of them left.
 

A fair linear summary of the events that leaves out much of the information. What I posted was not gossip dunder drawers, it was based on the medical opinions of the attending ER Dr.

Now from medical testimony~~~

Consider the testimony of Dr. Hammesfahr regarding Terri's neck injury from Oct. 11, 2002.

A. Anoxic and hypoxic encephalopathies are characterized by multiple small strokes. So depending upon where that stroke is, is where your deficiency is. In your average stroke, the entire side of the body is affected. But in a hypoxic or anoxic episodes, or cerebral palsy, you will see lots of different areas affected. And there may be another injury, a neck injury with her also, which compounds her examination.

Q. Compounds what, her condition?

A. Her condition, yes. There is a neck injury. There may be a spinal cord injury, also.

Q. How were you able to determine a neck injury?

A. By physical examination. On physical examination, she has several characteristics that are not typical of a stroke. First, she has very severe neck spasms. That's typical of the body's response, splinting the area to prevent injury to that area.

Q. Splinting the area?

A. Yeah. If you injure your arm, you will move it. Your muscles will contract around it to keep that area moving. Her muscles around the neck area are heavily contracted to help prevent movement around that area. Later on in the videotape, we actually show that it's almost impossible for her to bend her neck. You can pick her entire body up off the bed just by putting pressure on the back of the neck area, which is not typical in brain injury patients but in neck injury patients. In addition, her sensory examination is nothing like a typical stroke patient or typical anoxic encephalopathy.

Q. Are you experienced in treatment of patients with spinal cord injury?

A. Yes, I am.

Q. You said that you had never felt a neck like that except for one other patient, right?

A. Correct.

Q. What was the cause of injury in the other patient?

A. The person had an anoxic encephalous due to attempted strangulation.

Thogmartin has listed the cause of death as "complications of Anoxic encephalopathy"---failure of oxygen to be delivered to the brain resulting in brain dysfunction. Thogmartin says that the anoxic brain injury sustained by Terri Schiavo on Feb. 25, 1990, was caused by lack of blood flow and oxygen to her brain but that the cause of that condition could not be detected and was undetermined. He did not rule out that the injuries could have been caused by smothering.
 
I think they had a legitimate point. After all, if we stopped force feeding all the mouth breathing brain dead conservatives, there would hardly be any of them left.

And soon after... the limp-wristed, hand-wringing, drooling at the mouth liberal loons would implode from listening to your boring schtick parroting the same tired talking points borrowed from some goon with a laptop secreted away in a hallway broom closet of the White House.

In the interim, we'll suffer watching you attempt to pat yourself on the back for being cunningly witty. Don't forget to scratch your a$$ while you're back there, k?

Dork :palm:
 
It wasn't until 1998, 8 years later that Terri's husband, Michael, filed a petition to remove Terri's feeding tub.
He should have requested this sooner if he felt it was really what she would have wanted....
I don't know what this "promise" was that you mention, he waited 8 years.

And during much of that 8 years he was trying to find any medical facility or Dr who would be able to help her.
 
And during much of that 8 years he was trying to find any medical facility or Dr who would be able to help her.

Schiavo lived with his new honey, Centonze for approximately 13 years before the marriage in 2006....which covers at least 5+ years of those eight...
lets not make the dude into something hes not.
Bottom line is he made sure he was the heir to anything she had in the bank by staying married to her.
 
Schiavo lived with his new honey, Centonze for approximately 13 years before the marriage in 2006....which covers at least 5+ years of those eight...
lets not make the dude into something hes not.
Bottom line is he made sure he was the heir to anything she had in the bank by staying married to her.

While he was living with his new honey, he was still seeking new and better treatment for Terri.

So when you say "lets not make the dude into something hes not", you should heed your own advice.
 
It doesn't matter if there were life insurance policies. The woman was dead, her brain had atrophied to the size of a lemon and she couldn't even see for gawds' sakes!

The reality is, this was a family decision, and her husband is the one that gets to make it by law. I don't want anybody messing with that. If I get Alzheimer's or something I want my wife to be able to shut off the meat machine holding me here without interference from any other family, that decision is hard enough without that kind of additional mess.
 
While he was living with his new honey, he was still seeking new and better treatment for Terri.

Riiiiigghhttt....and if you don't believe him, just ask him...

So when you say "lets not make the dude into something hes not", you should heed your own advice.
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It doesn't matter if there were life insurance policies. The woman was dead, her brain had atrophied to the size of a lemon and she couldn't even see for gawds' sakes!

The reality is, this was a family decision, and her husband is the one that gets to make it by law. I don't want anybody messing with that. If I get Alzheimer's or something I want my wife to be able to shut off the meat machine holding me here without interference from any other family, that decision is hard enough without that kind of additional mess.

Thats the rule and a good one it is...no one is advocating changing it....

As long as their is some degree of oversight to prevent foul play, and the doctors are in agreement about diagnosis and prognosis.....our honeys get to pull the plug.....its also a damn good idea to have your living will all signed, sealed and at hand in case of emergency....I have mine.:good4u:
 
Thats the rule and a good one it is...no one is advocating changing it....

As long as their is some degree of oversight to prevent foul play, and the doctors are in agreement about diagnosis and prognosis.....our honeys get to pull the plug.....its also a damn good idea to have your living will all signed, sealed and at hand in case of emergency....I have mine.:good4u:
Danged straight. There are safety considerations, and Schiavo had gone through more than those including decisions at the SCOTUS level.

I feared that somebody would work to change that law, I don't need those wishes ignored and I haven't really spoken of it with my mother. She'd have a hard time pulling that plug, my wife will too but I trust her to do what is right, I wouldn't have married her otherwise. And living wills are a great idea, I've had one since I was 27...

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Bravo, there is no need to ask him. There is documentation of his contacting other doctors and medical facilities.


Oddly, you seem ready to condemn him based on the fact he waited so long to try and have her feeding tube removed.

And others are saying "what would it hurt to wait longer?".




So he was going to catch flack regardless of when he did it.
 
It doesn't matter if there were life insurance policies. The woman was dead, her brain had atrophied to the size of a lemon and she couldn't even see for gawds' sakes!

The reality is, this was a family decision, and her husband is the one that gets to make it by law. I don't want anybody messing with that. If I get Alzheimer's or something I want my wife to be able to shut off the meat machine holding me here without interference from any other family, that decision is hard enough without that kind of additional mess.

Thats the rule and a good one it is...no one is advocating changing it....

As long as their is some degree of oversight to prevent foul play, and the doctors are in agreement about diagnosis and prognosis.....our honeys get to pull the plug.....its also a damn good idea to have your living will all signed, sealed and at hand in case of emergency....I have mine.:good4u:

Looks like we're all in agreement. :)
 
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